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The Development Update was as I expected. Pure Garbage.

The [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Explore/Detail/News/46567]Development Update[/url] dropped as expected; and as I expected, it was loaded with pure garbage. There's some people I've seen who seem to think that these are going to be "major, game changing changes!!!" I disagree. What is there to be "happy" about in that thinly-veiled PR bullshit? So we should praise them for adding in features that were in the prequel, stripped from the sequel, and then they're making their Players pay for those features again? Nevermind that none of what Barrett posted fixes any of the core issues with the game. They're merely cosmetic "surface" fixes, which will still not fix the bleeding-out of their player population. The game will still play like trash. Armor is still broken down to nothing more than a cosmetic skin for your character, with zero game mechanic effects. Weapons are still going to feel like you're shooting nothing more than harsh language at your enemies (all because of their [b]boring[/b], precious, PvP "balance". Balance is goddamn boring in a loot-shooter like this, Bungie!) Not to mention, they're -STILL- funneling players back to the Eververse again and again. Barrett tried to hide it with clever double-speak, but the end-game goal is still the Eververse in Bungie's mind. They moved a few categories of loot (ships, sparrow, ghost shells) to end-game activities, but notice that there's no mention of [b]slowing[/b] the rate of Eververse inventory increases. They're still going to be pumping more and more loot into the Cash Shop, at the expense of making any sort of deep, engaging, time-intensive PvE content. This was nothing more than damage control through a shit post, in regards to a game that will continue to be shit. Why? Because Bungie is incapable of fixing the core design flaws that they made in this game. I used to think that Bungie was simply unwilling to make the needed changes. Now I firmly believe that both situations are true. Not only are they unwilling, but they're incapable as well. They simply lack the sheer [b]capacity[/b] to fix all/any of the errors that they made when making Destiny 2. They took D1, stripped it down to the most bare-bones "features", and now they simply cannot reverse what they've wrought. In all, that "development update" was nothing more than a long-winded version of the bullshit PR spin that DeeJ/Cozmo/Dmg(control)04 post repeatedly. Just more of that "We hear you. We made mistakes. We'll do better. Please just throw more money at your screen for our next DLC, which we'll continue to goad you into buying the actual Loot through our Cash Shop, even though you technically already paid for it with the DLC price." [quote]"Eververse was never intended to be a substitute for end-game content and rewards."[/quote] Bullshit. If that were even remotely the case, then Bungie wouldn't have designed the very core mechanics of the game, and the flow of in-game activities to constantly recycle and redirect the Players back to the Cash Shop in an atrocious downward spiral of "Oh, you didn't get the rewards from RNG? Then go to our Cash Shop and purchase further RNG chances to try to win the item you want!" All Bungie is doing with these planned "future development changes/updates", is reskinning Destiny 1 cosmetic changes, and reselling it to you all over again; even though none of these items (and far, far more) should have ever been taken out of the game code in the first place. Destiny 2 should have started out with the mechanics that were in place at the end of Destiny Y3; not have the mechanics stripped out, turned into an inferior "sequel", then have the purely cosmetic effects reskinned and sold to you again. This game deserves to die the slow, bleeding death that it currently is suffering due to developer indifference and stupidity. Discuss.

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  • Absolutely agree

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  • Bump this to the moon and back

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  • [quote]The [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Explore/Detail/News/46567]Development Update[/url] dropped as expected; and as I expected, it was loaded with pure garbage.[/quote] Hm. [quote]There's some people I've seen who seem to think that these are going to be "major, game changing changes!!!"[/quote] As far as Destiny 2 goes, it is game changing. [quote]What is there to be "happy" about in that thinly-veiled PR bullshit?[/quote] You can be happy that they've finally given us [i]something,[/i] and all of it seems to be steps in the right direction. [quote]So we should praise them for adding in features that were in the prequel, stripped from the sequel, and then they're making their Players pay for those features again?[/quote] I don't think you're gonna have to pay for any of the updates that are listed in the blog post. Because they are updates, not paid DLC. [quote]Nevermind that none of what Barrett posted fixes any of the core issues with the game. They're merely cosmetic "surface" fixes, which will still not fix the bleeding-out of their player population.[/quote] Adding back 6v6 is a cosmetic fix? Private matches? Ranked Crucible? Strike Scoring? Removing the nightfall timer? [quote]The game will still play like trash. Armor is still broken down to nothing more than a cosmetic skin for your character, with zero game mechanic effects. Weapons are still going to feel like you're shooting nothing more than harsh language at your enemies[/quote] Masterwork armor that give you a reduction when using your super? And you can re-roll the stat types now? And raid armor will gain raid specific perks and mods are getting a re-work in general to make more of an impact on weapons? And they said that weapon archetypes will be emphasized more? [quote] (all because of their [b]boring[/b], precious, PvP "balance". Balance is goddamn boring in a loot-shooter like this, Bungie!)[/quote] But People wanted the Lens nerfed, and MIDA, and Uriel's, and auto rifles in general, and pulses. [quote]Not to mention, they're -STILL- funneling players back to the Eververse again and again. Barrett tried to hide it with clever double-speak, but the end-game goal is still the Eververse in Bungie's mind. They moved a few categories of loot (ships, sparrow, ghost shells) to end-game activities, but notice that there's no mention of [b]slowing[/b] the rate of Eververse inventory increases. They're still going to be pumping more and more loot into the Cash Shop, at the expense of making any sort of deep, engaging, time-intensive PvE content.[/quote] This is a touchy subject. Yes, I am against Eververse and microtransactions, but the blog post is at least a step in the right direction. More direct purchase options, less likely to get duplicates, easier to earn MTX engrams through milestones and such, yadda yadda yadda. I'd like to see Tess gone period, but.. [quote]This was nothing more than damage control through a shit post, in regards to a game that will continue to be shit.[/quote] You know, when I think a game is shit and don't care about the future of it or any plans, I stop playing/associating with it completely. Examples include: CoD, Battlefield, Battlefront, Gears of War 4, The Division, For Honor, Evolve, etc etc etc. So, the fact that you made this post is evident that you [i]do[/i] like and care about this game in some way and would like to see it grow. People are not this passionate about things they do not like. Take a break from D2, come back when the updates hit. [quote]Why?[/quote] I don't know. [quote]Because Bungie is incapable of fixing the core design flaws that they made in this game.[/quote] I would continue to debate your argumentative post, but you just ramble on in a biased manner and you mention Eververse again and I already hit that point above. [quote]This game deserves to die the slow, bleeding death that it currently is suffering due to developer indifference and stupidity.[/quote] What forum will you complain on when this one dies?

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    • Edited by MojoPin: 1/13/2018 6:42:36 AM
      There was absolutely nothing that they could have said that would have kept people like you from whining and crying. They gave a large part of what people wanted back (they tried something new, it failed, they learned a little) and people are STILL whining. This has never been about making D2 better for people like you, it’s become the new meta game to rag on Bungie and call their game garbage.

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        [quote] This game deserves to die the slow, bleeding death that it currently is suffering due to developer indifference and stupidity. [/quote] This benefits absolutely nobody. I could discuss your points, we could generate feedback, but this last sentence makes it clear: You can't see past your own entitled opinions. Your posts in the past made me wonder if you even liked this game or the community, but clearly, it's more important that you get satisfaction out of the death of Destiny 2 than for other people to enjoy it. I am tired of this sort of mentality going on in these (and other game) forums. The disappointed are more important than the satisfied. Angry voices matter more than supportive Start crusades, watch the forums burn, wish doom upon the game...and alienate the fans who came here to group up, scare away players, silence positive feedback and bury it under a mountain of screaming the same thing over and over. If all you're wishing for is the chance to fiddle while the game burns, then leave. You've made your stance clear. You aren't a fan. You aren't a critic. You're just a troll waiting to see the flames. You have nothing to contribute anymore.

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        • How many story-long posts are you gonna make about not liking the game before you decide that it’s probably not for you?

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          • Where is Bungie replying now? They were going at it last week saying to butter our popcorn and all. Now the updates been out and its a commercial disappointment they're back to the silent treatment.

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            • Look son, fanboys. Fanboys as far as they eye can see. 😂😂😂😂

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              • I was really hoping from them to get their head outta their asses, but after seeing what's planned all the way till next fall... Looks like pure laziness at its finest. I can't believe after 3 years ppl still believe bungie.

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              • You know what isn’t garbage? [spoiler]Wendy’s spicy nuggets[/spoiler]

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                • HeLlO InTeRnEt FoRuMs :D. WhAt ArE wE cOmPlAiNiNg AbOuT tOdAy?

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                • And which patch is Bungie gonna make people pay for? Refresh my memory please.

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                • Bungie ia kinda trash

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                • It’s not actively making the game worse, and the pr is a lot better then many previous announcements. Furthermore, many of the things we asked for were in it. So garbage? I think not. “Disappointing” and “too late” sound more reasonable to me.

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                  • Ok thats wrong. It was good, But if they want to save destiny 2 they have to do better.

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                  • These aren’t “core design flaws” exactly, this is the game Bungie intended to make. They didn’t release D2 hoping it would fail, they made all these changes to appeal to a wider audience. They made this game specially for people who didn’t like the first Destiny and believed D1 players would adjust to the changes and keep playing. I personally don’t like the changes and don’t play anymore, but that doesn’t mean I wish ill on the developer. Do hope that any company that makes a product you don’t enjoy dies a slow painful death. “My toast was burnt this morning, I hope KitchenAid dies a slow pianful death and the corporate headquarters burns to the ground!”

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                  • Bungie's just full of great ideas, 😵I know let's make D2 Exactly the same as D1😖. WTF we could have told you that from day one, but no you botched it all up big time with tokens and Eververse the Succubus from hell. The only thing I like is the lack of Guardians with Shotguns skin grafted to their hands sliding towards me, or constantly getting one-shot killed by auto tracking snipers from across map, KEEP THOSE WEAPONS AS HEAVY.

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                  • Whew! Long scroll to post "muted"😎

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                  • Feel free to play another game you cry baby

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                  • Shhh go to sleep

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                  • I agree

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                  • We appreciate the feedback, by the way just a Friendly reminder guardian's to stop by Everse , Luke Smith and Mark noseworthy highly recommend the experience and many Thanks for your contribution. Friendship 4 ever :)

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                  • Yep.

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                  • A lot of the updates sound decent. Ranked play is an improvement that D1 did not have.

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                  • there is a better way to go about things though..🤷🏾‍♂️

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                  • You are aware that the live team is specifically set up to be reactive, correct? Chris Barrett doesn't own a DeLorean and can travel back in time at 88mph to stop Luke Smith and Jon Wisniewski from making terrible decisions. He also doesn't have the authority to pull the plug on Eververse. This is obviously a compromise he made with his bosses to keep them placated and still give back to the player base as much as the live team is allowed. The list of changes is a good start to fixing a long list of terrible problems. What they posted in the update were things that they had fixes for, be them actual or still on paper. Some of the issues are deep rooted and shy of releasing another full game won't be possible to fix.

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