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4/17/2016 10:08:28 PM
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Dreadfang's Text and the Future (Theory)

Dreadfang, the awaited Taken Sword. It is average but looks so awesome. And it may give a clue to the next expansion and/or the next game. This is the text found on the Dreadfang: [quote]Kingly brother, I thank you for the gift of your failure. The sword logic demands a pinnacle. [/quote] Now anybody that is a grimoire-whore like me will know that Oryx has two siblings, both sisters, named Savathun and Xivu Arath. All three of them have tried to overthrow each other multiple times. But anyway, let us analyze this. [quote]Kingly brother, I thank you for the gift of your failure.[/quote] This is one of Oryx's sisters speaking about Oryx, hence the "Kingly brother" line. She (we know it is a she we just don't know which one) is obviously talking about how Oryx has failed in taking over the solar system (Regicide and King's Fall). She likes this and accepts her brother's defeat with open arms. [quote]The sword logic demands a pinnacle.[/quote] The Sword Logic is the Hive idea that killing more and more enemies will make you extremely powerful to the point where you might as well be ruler of the whole universe. The only way to effectively do this is to eliminate or control everything. They did this so that the Hive worms could be fed and the Hive would not die. The problem is that they most constantly kill things to feed the worm, for the more the worm was fed, the more hungry it would get. The Vex were able to get into Oryx's Ascendant Realm (via Crota by complete accident, dumbass Crota, no wonder we killed him) and deduce the Sword Logic and ended up becoming gods in Oryx's Realm. Now what does "pinnacle" mean exactly? Pinnacle is a high, pointed piece of rock... wow OK. OK that is not its only meaning. Pinnacle can also be used to describe the highest point of something or the end. Proof of this is when I ended up researching what "Entropy's Pinnacle" meant since Bungie does have a tendency to name things that relate to things that barely anybody knows about[u][b]*[/b][/u]. So what this unidentified being is saying is that the Sword Logic wills an end/has an end. Oryx was the most powerful of the three and was so powerful that it caused his own sisters to move to other parts of the galaxy in order to get their worms fed (you know that sounds really weird with no context). I like to believe Savathun was saying this, since this April Update is about her son, Malok (oh and we killed one of her daughters, Balwur). Another reason would be that Savathun is known for being manipulative and dangerous through the same ways I am ignored and invisible in real life (not literally invisible). However it is nice to believe Xivu Arath has a personality that does not just involve trying to kill Taox and declaring war on everything that is not Hive. TL:DR - Read it. *Entropy's Pinnacle theory: [spoiler]Entropy's Pinnacle means the theoretical end of the Universe as we know it. Now hear me out on this. [quote]Entropy: lack of order or predictability; gradual decline into disorder.[/quote] Entropy is disorder and Pinnacle can mean the highest point/high end of something. Entropy is also a term used in Physics that describes the "randomness or disorder of the Universe". Since the Vex control the fabric of spacetime through the use of gates, the Black Garden, and the Vault of Glass, and the Taken are a significant threat to the Vex (more so than the Hive even), the end of the Vex will mean the end of the Universe. Since we got rid of the Vex's future by killing the Taken of the Vault and seeing what will happen if the Echo of Oryx on Venus continues to live, we go to the Citadel to eradicate it. It is my belief that the Vex have succeeded in becoming an essential in spacetime, but not enough to execute their full will. If we kill the Vex now, the Universe will cease to exist. The control of spacetime but not enough to execute all may cause random occurrences and increase the amount of entropy. This may work the opposite but who really knows at this point. Either way, we kill the Vex = everything ends. Enough has been said now. Too much. We cannot kill the Vex, but they can kill us, conclusion reached, peace with them (somehow) or get rekt. TL:DR - Killing Vex = End of Universe[/spoiler] So yeah, what do you guys think?

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  • Pinnacle is not the end of something, it is the highest point. The climax.

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    • Bump for later

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    • Why can't the Grimoire and all these theories be in the game ?

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    • See, this is a great theory and if Bungie implemented this it would boost sales x3 and a stream and positive feelings for this game would flow. They would actually make MORE money then stupid ass sterling treasure. But what will bungie do? Add more cosmetics and nerf arc blade some more, then scratch their heads when people are disappointed. Come on bungo, add some good content to your game for once. (No taken king doesn't count as good content either. I enjoyed raid but the "story" missions were still really short and few in number and Taken are just the most annoying from all the races reskinned and given cheapo abilities. [b]COUGH COUGH SHIELD BLAST COUGH COUGH PSIONS DUPLICATING EVERYWHERE COUGH[/b]

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    • Edited by NINO: 4/19/2016 1:54:13 AM
      Savathûn was pulling the strings through the Queen and Eris, and she manipulated everybody in order to have us kill Oryx. Basically, Savathûn killed Oryx, making her more powerful than him through Sword logic. Next Hive dlc boss confirmed.

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      • Edited by Kekssis-Adept: 4/17/2016 10:13:49 PM
        I think I'm done with anything hive/taken related atm. Give me cabal or vex lol Too much damn hive!!

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        • I would just like to point out a few things: A) the Sword Logic isn't about destroying everything to become powerful. It's about trying to destroy everything to test it. If it can be destroyed, it is not perfect, and deserves to be destroyed. The Hive are actually okay with being destroyed because of this logic. They recognize that they made a mistake or were not strong enough, and that they deserved to die. B) just because the sword text uses the word pinnacle, it does not mean it has an end. Just as you pointed out, the more the worms are fed, the more they demand. Technically, every moment is a pinnacle for the Hive as they constantly have to do better and better.

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          • I had thought that text was from Malok. Since both of them had ruled the taken, though Malok only ruled for 1 mission and 1 strike, they could refer to each other as "kingly brother"(though Oryx is dead).

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          • Eris is a Manchurian candidate. She didn't escape from CE. She was transformed and released by one of oryx's sisters. This is the queen she was referring to at the end of regicide. The thing most people don't pick up on is we didn't defeat oryx IN his throne room. He was hovering outside the ship. I don't believe that he is fully dead. My speculation is that his body will be found on saturn and his worm will be transferred. Eris will see to this as she serves another.

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            • Holy. Sh*t. A good, well thought-out theory? On Bungie.net? What is this madness?!

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              • I just want to know why my dreadfang has more range than my machine gun.

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                • Actually, entropy is the eventual dying of stars, and eventually the universe, trillions of years into the future the last stars will die and the universe goes dark

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                  • Eris during Malok strike says she can see much better with the weird eye shit than she could before, weird eye shit is in the same pattern as oryx eyes, Eris is one of his sisters. Also bet dreadfang is supposed to be what got made from the shard of oryx's sword when we beat him in the story mission.

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                    • Amazing can't wait for the next dlc/update this theory got me pumped

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                      • All this makes me once again wonder who Nokris is.

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                      • Everyone made jokes about going after Crota's grandfather, or his aunt next. Now we've literally got an update where we kill his cousin.

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                      • Edited by What I Look Like: 4/18/2016 2:21:02 PM
                        I believe you get that as a reward for completing the Blighted Chalice Strike? Not to be a party pooper but it could just be Malok speaking to Oryx. Between members of the Hive in general, brother is used often to address another member. The strike background insinuates that Malok intended to inherit Oryx's "throne", as it were. The mission before it takes place on the Dreadnaught, Malok having been spotted there after a long period of time where he was gone. This in turn could imply that Malok was visiting the Dreadnaught in order to get the scope of the situation, as he wanted to lead the pack.

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                        • I think it's xivu because she understands the sword logic the best. She gave oryx her death, she alone knew it would make him stronger.

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                        • Edited by The Fallen Zyzz: 4/18/2016 11:47:17 AM
                          If one of Oryx's sister's sought the 'pinnacle' of sword logic, it is likely that they will come after the PC Guardian in the future. After KF, the chain works like this: Guardian>Oryx (who is now dead)>Xivu Arath/Savathûn. The Guardian is the new pinnacle. Either these sisters intend to take the pinnacle for themselves or they want a warrior of light to be the strongest (for some inexplicable reason). I don't think Bungie puts this much thought into their story, though. Maybe we're overthinking it.

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                          • Edited by SnakePayne86: 4/18/2016 5:07:07 AM
                            Ya, I believe in something like this. One of the sisters has a more symbiotic philosophy to her wrath, she may not be interested in eradicating everything but more into just playing a role in a cosmic cycle. And the Vex, I don't know, they might have made us.

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                            • Edited by Swiftlock: 4/18/2016 4:59:10 AM
                              I sure hope this doesn't foreshadow future content. I'm pretty sick of the Hive/Taken. We still need a Fallen/Cabal raid.

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                              • Well yeah Oryx left over family will be the big baddies in Destiny 2 or 3

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                              • Too much hive Not enough honey (really good stuff)

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                              • Too much hive Not enough honey (really good stuff)

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                              • Yeah, when I saw that description and Malok's card, my immediate conclusion was that Savathun wasn't exactly sad oryx was killed. That makes sense though, in the books of sorrow they constantly wage war and try to kill each other, as the sword logic demands it.

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