Ive had that happen. My best friend and i jump in a group of his mutual friends who were day one players. We thought it would be a walk in the park. We get to the gate keeper and i ask who is getting the first relic, who is getting the second............ long pause. Ok, ill grab first, who else? My friend wanted to jump in, shoot gallys, jump out, then hold middle instead of grabbing it. We both ended up taking the relics, run to middle and the 4 other ppl lost it to minators. Wtf? Countless trys later we make it. We get to atheon and this one kid is using a blue shotgun to take out oracles. *facepalm* cmon kid, really?! Even being impatient, i took the time and explained to them how to use the relic, how to shoot oracles, and to NOT get friendly with supplicants. Never worked out. Cant fix stupid