I agree. I've done VOG plenty of times. Never once did I do the relic because there was always someone that was really good at it, and we didn't want to waste time having someone else learn it. Everyone just wants to get the raid done, and succeed at it. Haven't been able to find a group of people that are willing to just let someone new learn it, while they accept fails. I've been happy to be on support/oracle/supplicant killing duty.