I forgot to mention this in my other post, but there was a level 29 with no vog raid weapons in a raid team I was on earlier this week. Not only that, but the weapon he was using in his primary slot was a blue weapon. Whenever he was teleported we would die due to oracles. We eventually just sent someone in to help with oracles whenever he was teleported once we found out his situation, but the process took way longer than it should've. There's almost no excuse for going into either hm raid without at least a legendary gun. Youre not going into the raid prepared otherwise.