I know man. About two or three weeks ago, I played with a group of 32. I am still 31 though. majority of them couldn't stay alive. We spent hours trying to kill Atheon. I had to find a new team. Majority of the times, I always want relic, because I can't trust randoms sometimes. And I'm not a relic god. I die occasionally if its Hard VoG. Sometimes that minotaur just teleports all over the place and I have to be going back and forth, and them hobgoblins great with them snipers. Hahaha. And also, sometimes the guy with the relic doesn't realize he can kill oracles as well. He can jump and hit or use the super.