This on Atheon? People get too damn polite there, or play "not it". Just grab it and go if you're all 30 or higher. Further... A lot of teammates are just dumb inside of those areas. Throwing grenades. Ignoring the first oracle. Not moving down the stairs together. I want a rocket on the right side in the minotaurs grill. I want you 2 to stand there like statues on the left side. You throw your useless grenades, you're going to miss the Minotaur and now they're all shooting at me with a relic. You throw a grenade or shoot at the hobgoblins on the left, chances are I'm dead cuz you pissed them off. You ignore them on the left, they sit there sleeping til I hit them and they're all almost dead before their guns charge to shoot. The point for me is... I can deal with people not knowing these basic things. But you need to [b]listen[/b] when I tell you I don't want your help or want very precise actions. We'll all live if you just listen up. Edit: and ignore level for a minute. I think having that number gives you a false sense of strength in the Vault. It's the Normal mode plague... Oh I can get rez'd? That purple ammo is mine... The hardest raid I ever did was my flawless raider run, vault; normal difficulty; at level 32; and I damn near sh!+ my pants cuz my sprint didn't start when I made my final jump to the wall...