So if you look at my chars, I only have 19 clears total...this is between VoG and CE. It isn't a lot. Miniscule really. Most of my runs are just for specific parts so I can get gear I need. I've used the relics in VoG and the sword on Crota. You know what? It wasn't hard...but the important thing for me was that when it was my first time trying, I had someone who patiently explained the encounter to me, and I listened. If you were having issues, and it took an hour, at what point did you stop the group and go over the mechanics of the relic-holder? I know whenever I host a VoG raid I make sure I ask everyone if they're familiar with the relic. If not, I'll ask them if they want to give it a go, and I'll ask them if they need a crash course. It takes maybe 5 minutes to do this, and it can save a group a lot of time. If you did all of this and it still failed, that's too bad. Hopefully you'll find a more capable group in the future.