Agree on Atheon since you never know who is teleported, but templar may be a stretch. After dark below, don't have time to run full VoG on 3 characters. Only ran templar for a friend who didn't have fatebringer, which he does now, and Atheon. Now just the gorgons for exotic chest and Atheon if I can find the Cp. On templar, I ran it almost always with the same group of friends. The same guy would always run relic at that part. It would rarely switch as he was beast with it. Would I know what to do as experienced relic holder on Atheon? Sure, but it would probably take a few word at least. Point being, most people rely on one or two at templar, if they play it at all. Atheon, though, should definitely be learned. You never know who might be transported.