if a group of 30s/31s are inexperienced with holding the relic, (JUST FOR ATHEON LMFAO), then wtf are you doing staying in the team, they are a waste of your time, and digital primary bullets
its not templar fight where they have to worry about staying alive aggro'ing every single enemy on the ground, its just atheon fight.......
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I generally don't bother getting to atheon on all three, just one character. Then checkpoint the other two because I have everything I need from VoG.
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well some people do the raid for the 50 complete grim card even after they have everything they desire from VoG :-p, only reason i run the full thing