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11/3/2020 2:10:33 AM
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450 lightweights pulses are the weakest weapons in destiny
Before someone is typing about the 4 bursts, that’s not what I’m talking about. 450 lightweight pulse rifles have the lowest damage in almost all pve activities while requiring perfect aim in pvp or 3 perfect bursts to get a kill. This archetypes has been completely overlooked throughout the entirety of d2. The exotics bad juju and outbreak as sub par at best as they can allow for an increase in damage, which is unfortunately quite situational. But it’s worse for the legendary versions. Chattering bone has an amazing perk pool but sees very little use in the overall landscape while infinite paths was literally unusable. I feel like 450s need the handcannon collapse treatment because there is no reason to have 2 different 450 pulse archetypes with one being less than useless.
I have been using outbreak since its re release back into the game A LOT and I’ve had enough with this archetype being forgotten, it needs some changes especially in pvp because it can’t compete with it requiring perfect play against these easier options.
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They aren't. People just follow the typical outlaw/killclip or old meta combos. High impact reserves, headseeker,zen moment, high cal, and always run counter balance for accuracy and backup mag for high impact reserves and it will change your mind. Are you gonna suddenly beat autos? No. Can you or is it possible? Yes. People's idea of what a good roll on a gun is has to change according to the situation or meta not what they think is good. 450's weren't represented ourside of blast furnace and chattering bone as options. Chattering bone is a really good and consistent pulse.
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2 RepliesThey were good in forsaken and Y1 but quickly got overshadowed by hand cannons plus a range nerf
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2 Replies450 pulses are weird. I have a nightshade that has a good roll. It does very well but sometimes just felt "off" about it compared to d1 450 pulses. In d1 landing a 3 burst with a hawksaw wasn't that hard. If they brought back hawksaw and didn't give it the d2 treatment that would be my main weapon for pvp. I have a couple reasons why d1 450s were better. -smooth handling. Some 450s had it better then others. Hawksaw was the king in terms of 450s and smoothness. People used blind perdition for high caliber rounds, but it just didn't feel is good or smooth, felt boxy. This was a complaint of mine with the b29 partyfavor in rise of iron, great archtype, bad weapon. -Range worked differently in d1 Damage falloff for pulse rifles in d1 was actally really good. The range stat wasn't that big of a factor until they adjusted it. In d2 450s struggle in the range department. -visual recoil. In d2 visual recoil is way more severe. The screen bounces alot more. D1 recoil on certain pulse rifles is basically d2 levels if you play on m&k. This is why HC in d1 are so much better then in d2. Felt smoother and more forgiving. -zoom magnification. In d2 zoom affects your range and damage drop-off alot more. That's why bungie gave summoner a big scope instead of a low zoom scope. In d1 zoom only affected how.good you could see the enemy and didn't hurt range as much. All in All the damage isn't the issue. It's d2 that is the issue.
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2 RepliesChattering Bone is my favorite weapon in the game. Add in cqc lightweight shotgun as a hunter with high mobility and you're a ninja. Different strokes I guess.
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5 Replieslaughs in bad juju
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1 ReplyThey're bad 'cause they share the same range drop off as 540s, and their TTK goes way high should you miss a shot on a burst or damage drop off occurs. It needs a buff in both PvE and PvP.
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2 Repliessubmachine guns disagree
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Took out my Infinite Paths 8 from the vault. Tried a few matches with it. It doesn’t work, even with a Well of Radiance.
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6 Replies180rpm scouts need love too Well, all scouts actually
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Edited by Codykins: 11/4/2020 8:16:22 AMTry using a 600 RPM SMG. Which, for some reason, is fairly weaker than a 600 RPM auto rifle, despite having about a third of the range and more ridiculous recoil. Big Yikes.
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My chattering bone STRONGLY disagrees. I have 600+ pvp kills on it and love running mobility and the lightweight frames. Very underrated <
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2 RepliesEdited by sum12mezzwith: 11/3/2020 1:13:52 PMI second in nerfing the fusion rifles. Great idea.
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Something has to be at the bottom. Not sure what you were told in school but not everything can be equally awesome.
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450 autorifles also suck
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Lightweight pulse rifles have never been weak but they always seem to contend in the wheelhouse of whatever the current meta is. For example, the Uriel's Gift then Hand Cannon then 600 Rpm auto rifle metas have been punishing the Lightweight archetype because they operate in the same 25-35m space. Since they require such a high precision hit ratio for optimal ttk, I think a recoil direction and aim assistance buff would help a lot. The sideways recoil even with a counterbalance mod just doesn't lend itself to precision when that is what is needed the most in order for them to be competitive in these metas.
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They definitely need to be stronger, and definitely don't " collapse " them into another archetype. I think a tiny bit of extra damage would be enough. If that isn't enough then push the range out a few metres to allow for more consistent 3 burst kills at competitive pulse rifle range.
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I would just increase crit damage to 26 or 27. If you land nothing but crits, they do a total of 225 damage, I don't know how much body shots do, but adding a little forgiveness to a weapon type that has short range and s*** stability most of the time would help alot. That, or convert them all to aggressive burst frames and adjust range, stability, handling, and reload accordingly.
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3 RepliesSo nerf fusion rifles?
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Fact is, there's just too many weapon archetypes as it is. The hand cannon changes were a great step in the right direction though
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Don’t forget precision scouts!
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Guardian,Archon Of LightBlade Of The Traveler - old
I hope they either buff 450s or Outbreak itself ,I know it will never be has strong has when it melted raid and strike bosses. But it could be stronger Outbreak is one of my favorite weapons of all time ,and I want to justify using it again -
1 ReplyIm just wondering why guns of the same archtype in this game, have different rates of fire. And damage outputs. Say a scout rifle does 50pts to the head and 25pts to the body. Shouldnt a 4 round burst pulse hit the same areas at the same point rating? It shoots the same bullets, but 4 instead of 1. Pulse rifles should be the most lethal in that regard. All snipers should have the same impact at the least.
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2 Repliesactuallllyy its whatever i am using. every other gun wins, haa even environment wins.
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Edited by Bore: 11/3/2020 6:55:14 PM4 bursts are fine. 40 bursts need a buff.
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Yeah they are lacking, I cant bring myself to use bad juju or outbreak perfected sometimes when other archetypes perform much better.
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Scout rifles would like to know your location. 180 hand cannons would like to know your location. Bows would like to know your location.
