Until those low level requirements are removed from the game like all the old content.

Okay and? Sunset weapons will still be viable in quickplay.

Great, one game mode. The one that everyone complains about weapons being too op. The one where people actually want weapons to be retired in. So, instead of letting PvE players have fun with the weapons they finally earn, shelve them, make them re earn them, and the only way they can have fun with them is in a PvP that they don’t give a shit about.

Boo hoo? If you're more of a PvE player, you need to switch up your arsenal sometimes anyways. Have a little variety. Don't cry over your crutch weapons being sunset. Nobody cares.

A little variety is brought about in content drops, where Bungie gives us variety. If people only use weapons that are old, what does that say about the new weapons? Why should we be forced to use mediocrity when we are to “become legend”? I’m all for variety. But I’m against being forced into “switching things up” to use garbage because there’s no incentive in chasing weapons. And I’ll complain as I please, this is a forum for feedback. If you don’t like that, Boo Hoo

This community defines "garbage" as "not the absolute best". Outbreak is a DAMN good weapon. It's incredible. But because it's a pulse rifle that's outperformed by things like Gnawing Hunger in PvP and multiple weapons in PvE, it's considered garbage despite the fact it's actually REALLY strong, just not AS strong. Another aspect is fun factor. Not everyone has fun just melting through everything with ease, a good chunk actually enjoy using weapons that FEEL good to use (I'm a fan of Horror Story for PvE and Crimson for PvP) Just because something isn't META doesn't make it garbage. If you actually wanted to play the game instead of having the game played for you, sunsetting wouldn't be an issue

That’s not “having the game played for me”. Sunsetting itself is lazy. It’s a reason to recycle weapons and say it’s content. Yes, weapons outclass others, but not in all situations. Gnawing hunger didn’t have the DPS Outbreak did. Each had their own strengths, so some people used each more than the other. With the new system though, people who preferred gnawing hunger have to regrinding the thing under the guise of a “content drop” which is pathetic. I loved using the fighting lion, in fact it’s the only gun I really cared for using in the months prior to leaving the game for now. But just because I hate when people use something like revoked in PvP doesn’t mean I want the weapon to no longer be viable, I want to get better and look for counters to it. Ntm when a new content drop would bring a weapon that competes for the meta. And the excuse that “weapon too strong” is weak. Ice breaker was op, yet easily counterable with the right load out. Mountaintop is easily counterable. Recluse is easily counterable. And Sunsetting is just a lazy excuse. Let those who want to use old weapons become outdated by new Metas that can destroy what they have, but don’t force them to use poop roll weapons because their favorites are no longer viable.

If you stop using your favorite weapon because it's not viable, it wasn't really your favorite weapon, it's just what you had the easiest time with. Most of the people want the game played for them, that's why they use crutches like Revoker, Jotunn, Mountaintop, Arbalest, etc. Sunsetting, regardless of what you think of it, is not a bad thing. Call it lazy, it doesn't matter. It gets results. If those results are a flying -blam!- ton of people quitting because they can't rely on the same, tired, boring weapons they've let carry them for the last few years, oh well. They won't be missed.

You keep calling them crutches, but I genuinely believe people just enjoy using them. And to be so cynical saying that “they won’t be missed” is ridiculous. Sunsetting is still stupid. It makes sense in games that aren’t centered around weapons and armor being your power level, but that’s what destiny is. Your excuse of “if you don’t use a wep anymore cuz no longer viable it wasn’t your fave” what?? Yeah, because people are just going to go into a mission with their favorite weapon and get slaughtered because it’s below light level requirements. Wtf is wrong with someone wanting to use a weapon that they might have chased for months or even years because of how shitty the RNG system is? “Crutch weapon” no, it’s a fun weapon to use. Imagine that for a second, having fun in a game. If someone finds a weapon they’re comfortable with using, then let them use it. Calling it a crutch weapon just makes you sound like you’re bad at the game and can’t stand that people use weapons that you don’t like. “Variety” my ass. Bungie can easily come up with new ideas for perks that can outclass old weapons, and MAKE people want to chase them rather than stick to old weapons 24/7. But stagnation is what kills games. And if the excuse is that they don’t have enough time, then the switch to a seasonal model was a mistake. Hell, we’re finally getting a new raid in over a year of content drops, when raids were almost consistently dropped with each dlc in D1 with the exception of House of Wolves. Idc if you say “say whatever you want about sunsetting, it doesn’t matter”, because people wouldn’t have to use old weapons if the new weapons weren’t so mediocre or having one or two that do good in PvP. As far as I’m concerned, PvP could be removed and I wouldn’t give a shit. I feel like it’s a plague to destiny.

Jotunn isn't fun to use. Look in their general direction and fire? Boring. Arbalest ACTUALLY aims for you, that's not fun, it takes part of the challenge out. Mountaintop functions like a heavy rocket launcher, but takes special ammo, which is common and easy to get, meaning you can be running around with what is basically a heavy weapon 24/7, and that's not okay. Bastion is the definition of a crutch weapon. And a huge part is because of how people use them. Most jotunneers pre-fire, run around a corner, and just glance towards you then hide again. That's cheap as hell. They're not out long enough to be killed, but they're out long enough to kill you for sure. Mountaintoppers spam that shit like it's going out of style, because they can afford to. Arbalesters hang back as far as possible and rely on the gun aiming for them. Erentil isn't a crutch weapon but it's used like one because people just corner camp and pre-fire with it for easy, guaranteed kills. Wardcliff is a 100% guaranteed kill or team wipe, and you don't even have to aim it. That's a crutch. "But is fun!" No. It really isn't. It's EASY. It's challengeless. If your idea of fun is "there's no difficulty" then you're right, it's fun. But what else should i expect from a hunter? All of you want the game to be as easy as possible. Challenge helps us thrive. It makes things interesting. Remove the challenge, from yourself OR others, and it lessens the experience for EVERYONE. PvP is fun as hell, it's PvE that needs some serious reworking. The easy missions are too easy, but i bet you like that. The hard missions are too hard. And there is no in-between. Either you can solo it or you need a full, skilled fireteam. PvP? Just need to balance the classes and fix the ridiculous Special Ammo economy, and disabling scavenger mods in pvp wouldn't hurt either. But PvE? It is a hot pile of dog shit: either way too boring, or way too hard. Having no in-between is ridiculous. But I'm actually done now. I shouldn't even bother arguing with a hunter, none of you have the guts to admit you're wrong. You play the easiest class for a reason.