[quote]Bungie have stuck a skeleton crew on destiny and are working on a new ip[/quote] I always see this rumor get repeated, but no actual report showing it is true.

There has to be some truth in it. There can be no other rational reason why hundreds of employees would be providing the standard of product that is being provided now unless most of those employees are not working on the current game.

[quote]There has to be some truth in it. There can be no other rational reason why hundreds of employees would be providing the standard of product that is being provided now unless most of those employees are not working on the current game.[/quote] The whole history of D2 would say otherwise.

Bungie does in fact have a new IP (Matter) in the works... Even got $100 million for it. Bungie has claimed that the development of the new IP would not interfere with Destiny development...... But you have to consider that unless Bungie hired a new developer studio (or hired enough new employees) to make the New IP, Bungie will have to use their own employees to make the game. 10%, 20%, 30% of Bungie making the new IP? Doesn't matter. Whatever it is, that's that much less people working on Destiny content. My theory is that most of Bungie is working on both Destiny 3 and Matter. And given how minimal the content for Year 3 seasons has been, it's not far out to call it a skeleton crew. So to be more precise... It's a skeleton crew on the Destiny 2 Live Team. How else do you explain the minimal seasonal content?

[quote]Bungie does in fact have a new IP (Matter) in the works... Even got $100 million for it. Bungie has claimed that the development of the new IP would not interfere with Destiny development...... But you have to consider that unless Bungie hired a new developer studio (or hired enough new employees) to make the New IP, Bungie will have to use their own employees to make the game. 10%, 20%, 30% of Bungie making the new IP? Doesn't matter. Whatever it is, that's that much less people working on Destiny content. My theory is that most of Bungie is working on both Destiny 3 and Matter. And given how minimal the content for Year 3 seasons has been, it's not far out to call it a skeleton crew. So to be more precise... It's a skeleton crew on the Destiny 2 Live Team. How else do you explain the minimal seasonal content?[/quote] Guess away, but without actual evidence it’s just a guess about a rumor.

Dude, just google it. Bungie started a new IP... So it’s a guess about a fact...

[quote]Dude, just google it. Bungie started a new IP... So it’s a guess about a fact...[/quote] I don’t have to google anything I read the announcement last year, link me a report that says Bungie has pulled staff off D2 to work on other projects, or else you’re just repeating a rumor.

Bungie started a new IP... how about you link me some evidence that Bungie has in-fact hired a whole new staff to work on this new IP........... Thanks in advance.

[quote]Bungie started a new IP... how about you link me some evidence that Bungie has in-fact hired a whole new staff to work on this new IP........... Thanks in advance.[/quote] Do I need to link the announcement where they took a $100m investment from NetEase and said that it wouldn’t effect development of Destiny? I can. For you to prove it’s not true you need to link a report with evidence it’s not true. Anything less is just meme/rumor repetition.

Ohhhhh so Bungie saying a rumor on how it’s not going to effect D2 (obviously they’ll say that) is an ok rumor to spread... How about link me evidence, not some guy said so, that shows who is making this new IP.... Here’s some logic for you.... 100% of Bungie is working on Destiny related projects, but now a new IP is being worked on..... are you saying 100% of Bungie is still working on Destiny, but Bungie is also working on the new IP... I mean if you don’t think about it too much we could pretend that makes sense. Again, thanks in advance.

[quote]Ohhhhh so Bungie saying a rumor on how it’s not going to effect D2 (obviously they’ll say that) is an ok rumor to spread... How about link me evidence, not some guy said so, that shows who is making this new IP.... Here’s some logic for you.... 100% of Bungie is working on Destiny related projects, but now a new IP is being worked on..... are you saying 100% of Bungie is still working on Destiny, but Bungie is also working on the new IP... I mean if you don’t think about it too much we could pretend that makes sense. Again, thanks in advance.[/quote] That isn’t a rumor though, it’s an official news release. That’s an important distinction. I’m not the one pretending to be able to guess how development works internally at Bungie. I don’t know how they are structuring their teams, I do know there hasn’t been any reports that show evidence supporting that rumor is true.

We’re both speculating. Bungie simply saying something doesn’t make it true..... Trump is the president of the United States.... do you believe everything he says? Bungie saying what they said is the safest thing for them to say.... it’s nothing more than a statement meant to please the community that D2 is unaffected (True or Not). Saying publicly that they are moving a chunk of the workforce from an ongoing project to a brand new project would be idiotic on their part. That information would just hurt them. My speculation is on the basis that Bungie picked up a new project, and coincidentally the content for D2 dropped in quality...... It might be a coincident. It might not be. All I’m saying is that, for obvious reasons, there has to be a reason for the quality drop.... it might not be the new IP. Maybe they have more people working on the fall expansion, thus less on seasonal content. OR Activision’s 2 studios that helped with content development did a large chunk of the work. I mean Bungie did lose hundreds of extra staff from the split. One fact we do have is that the content quality dropped. The other one is like I said, Bungie can’t start a new project, but still have 100% of the workforce on Destiny. That’s impossible. Unless they contracted, or hired, a completely new staff/studio... and like you say it, unless they show evidence of that then it didn’t happen. I might be wrong on the point that D2 staff was moved to the new IP. Maybe they moved the D3 team to the new IP. Maybe the drop in quality is that the team working on D2 content had a lot of help from Activision. I mean we know they had help, but a lot more help than anyone gave Activision credit for. I’m realizing that it real reason will forever be a speculation. You’re right on that part. At the end of the day, you and I are both just speculating. Neither of us are right. There is no evidence on either side. Bungie’s words aren’t evidence. Guess we just accept the poor quality content, and take it or leave it.

[quote]We’re both speculating. Bungie simply saying something doesn’t make it true..... Trump is the president of the United States.... do you believe everything he says? Bungie saying what they said is the safest thing for them to say.... it’s nothing more than a statement meant to please the community that D2 is unaffected (True or Not). Saying publicly that they are moving a chunk of the workforce from an ongoing project to a brand new project would be idiotic on their part. That information would just hurt them. My speculation is on the basis that Bungie picked up a new project, and coincidentally the content for D2 dropped in quality...... It might be a coincident. It might not be. All I’m saying is that, for obvious reasons, there has to be a reason for the quality drop.... it might not be the new IP. Maybe they have more people working on the fall expansion, thus less on seasonal content. OR Activision’s 2 studios that helped with content development did a large chunk of the work. I mean Bungie did lose hundreds of extra staff from the split. One fact we do have is that the content quality dropped. The other one is like I said, Bungie can’t start a new project, but still have 100% of the workforce on Destiny. That’s impossible. Unless they contracted, or hired, a completely new staff/studio... and like you say it, unless they show evidence of that then it didn’t happen. I might be wrong on the point that D2 staff was moved to the new IP. Maybe they moved the D3 team to the new IP. Maybe the drop in quality is that the team working on D2 content had a lot of help from Activision. I mean we know they had help, but a lot more help than anyone gave Activision credit for. I’m realizing that it real reason will forever be a speculation. You’re right on that part. At the end of the day, you and I are both just speculating. Neither of us are right. There is no evidence on either side. Bungie’s words aren’t evidence. Guess we just except the poor quality content, and take it or leave it.[/quote] I’m not speculating. I’m going by official releases by the company making the game. I open to looking at any new reports showing the contrary is true and that the opinion expressed is anything more than a rumor. Please show me. I don’t believe everything that anyone says, which is why when people repeat a rumor as a meme I ask for them to substantiate it. When they can’t I know it’s just a rumor at best. It seems more likely to be a rationalization of why the quality isn’t what they expect inspire of over two years of history to show you exactly what you can expect. The quality has been mostly the same the entire release of D2. A few steps forward a lot of steps back. Over and over since launch.

Well... unless you show me evidence that Bungie got a whole new staff to work on the new IP, you should stop spreading rumors. Again, for logically obvious reasons, a guy saying that it’s not affecting D2 is not evidence. It’s literally a guy spreading a rumor he can’t back up....

[quote]Well... unless you show me evidence that Bungie got a whole new staff to work on the new IP, you should stop spreading rumors. Again, for logically obvious reasons, a guy saying that it’s not affecting D2 is not evidence. It’s literally a guy spreading a rumor he can’t back up....[/quote] I’m not spreading rumors. I’m repeating the official statement of the company. Big difference. I didn’t say it’s not effecting D2, I said claiming that it is, without evidence, is a rumor. Again big difference. Perhaps you want to substantiate your claim? I’m happy to look at that, I’m not as happy to see the most recent meme circulate over and over by people who don’t have any knowledge of what they are claiming.

So Bungie gave everyone the most convenient response to the new IP. “Not going to effect D2” Awesome. That’s great. Year 3 comes around with seasonal content..... content is not that good. Very minimal. No real depth to the seasons. Significant drop in quality. As I said before. You’re right about there being no evidence. But that’s not the point. It’s a rumor. It really is. But..... The one thing that isn’t a rumor is that Bungie picked up a new IP. After they started working on the new IP, the quality of D2 content got worse. That’s it. No more rumors anymore. Bungie is working on a new IP. Fact. Destiny 2 content got worse. Fact. Not saying there is a connection because I no longer want to spread false and completely baseless rumors, and potentially offend people with my opinions.

[quote]So Bungie gave everyone the most convenient response to the new IP. “Not going to effect D2” Awesome. That’s great. Year 3 comes around with seasonal content..... content is not that good. Very minimal. No real depth to the seasons. Significant drop in quality. As I said before. You’re right about there being no evidence. But that’s not the point. It’s a rumor. It really is. But..... The one thing that isn’t a rumor is that Bungie picked up a new IP. After they started working on the new IP, the quality of D2 content got worse. That’s it. No more rumors anymore. Bungie is working on a new IP. Fact. Destiny 2 content got worse. Fact. Not saying there is a connection because I no longer want to spread false and completely baseless rumors, and potentially offend people with my opinions.[/quote] D2 seasonal content has always been this bad from the beginning. Not sure if you have been paying attention or not but Forsaken is the only popular release this generation. The rest have been heavily criticized by the players.

You’re missing the point. Season of the forge, season of the drifter, season of opulence... they all had significantly more content. It had higher quality content. Two of the seasons came with raids. The raids were liked. Menagerie was very well received. The loot system in Menagerie was well received. Love it or hate it, but the new Gambit mode was a hit or miss based on the player, but it was a great concept. Season after season barely anyone complained about repetitive content. Point is the content was of higher quality. You could see that Bungie (and Activision) tried to deliver quality content. Wasn’t perfect, but it wasn’t Season of the Worthy. Year 3 seasons are a complete joke compared to year 2. People want to say “it’s been garbage from the start” or “most of the content Bungie releases is bad”.... that’s fine. We all have opinions. But I have yet to see a person that thinks year 3 seasons are better than year 2. Maybe there are a few people out there. But the whole point is that since year 2 (good or bad), it got worse. The quality got worse. Significantly worse. I am not saying year 2 seasons were perfect, but year 3 seasons are a joke in comparison. Especially this season. And year 2 seasons were basically $12 per season. Just $2 more that year 3 seasons. Forsaken was a great expansion.... $40 but great. Shadowkeep was also $40.................... complete garbage in comparison, and it’s just getting worse. Maybe, after all, it was just the split form Activision that drove Destiny to such a low. No one will ever know.

[quote]You’re missing the point. Season of the forge, season of the drifter, season of opulence... they all had significantly more content. It had higher quality content. Two of the seasons came with raids. The raids were liked. Menagerie was very well received. The loot system in Menagerie was well received. Love it or hate it, but the new Gambit mode was a hit or miss based on the player, but it was a great concept. Season after season barely anyone complained about repetitive content. Point is the content was of higher quality. You could see that Bungie (and Activision) tried to deliver quality content. Wasn’t perfect, but it wasn’t Season of the Worthy. Year 3 seasons are a complete joke compared to year 2. People want to say “it’s been garbage from the start” or “most of the content Bungie releases is bad”.... that’s fine. We all have opinions. But I have yet to see a person that thinks year 3 seasons are better than year 2. Maybe there are a few people out there. But the whole point is that since year 2 (good or bad), it got worse. The quality got worse. Significantly worse. I am not saying year 2 seasons were perfect, but year 3 seasons are a joke in comparison. Especially this season. And year 2 seasons were basically $12 per season. Just $2 more that year 3 seasons. Forsaken was a great expansion.... $40 but great. Shadowkeep was also $40.................... complete garbage in comparison, and it’s just getting worse. Maybe, after all, it was just the split form Activision that drove Destiny to such a low. No one will ever know.[/quote] Actually you’re missing the point. The point is you’re perpetuating a rumor. Beyond that your evidence is a drop in quality when D2 has been a drop in quality from Destiny since the beginning. There hasn’t been a successful season yet. At best is Warmind which has substantial issues with the content. Every single release except Forsaken has come with a drop in player population after an initial upswing and content player criticism. You want to believe it was incrementally better than this years seasons? Fine. That’s your opinion. It’s not a fact.

If the game’s been bad since Forsaken.... what are you still doing here?

[quote]If the game’s been bad since Forsaken.... what are you still doing here?[/quote] Cool strawman but I didn’t say that the game has been bad since Forsaken. Read what I actually said.

My point was nothing but a speculation from the start. You call it a rumor. I call it making a prediction around actual facts. This “rumor” was never baseless. Bungie has a new IP. Content quality in D2Y3 got worse, many agree on that. You say it was bad after Forsaken, now it’s even worse. As I said for the 4th time or so.... you’re right that there is no evidence about the workforce being moved. You call it a rumor. I call it a speculation. There is a massive difference. Good-bad content is again, not the point. The amount and quality of content this year was less than last years. Not saying it was more or less enjoying. But Bungie clearly put less work into year 3 content. There is nowhere near as much content as a season from year 2. Doesn’t mean people can’t like the content. There is simply significantly less content. We’re not getting a Raid in any of these seasons. And for like the 3rd time, this is my opinion. Stop getting so offended because my opinion is not to your liking. You literally said Warmind was the best dlc....yet that’s only your opinion. I’ve been talking about quality of the content. That doesn’t mean it’s not likable or that it can’t be good. It means less work was put into them.

[quote]My point was nothing but a speculation from the start. You call it a rumor. I call it making a prediction around actual facts. This “rumor” was never baseless. Bungie has a new IP. Content quality in D2Y3 got worse, many agree on that. You say it was bad after Forsaken, now it’s even worse. As I said for the 4th time or so.... you’re right that there is no evidence about the workforce being moved. You call it a rumor. I call it a speculation. There is a massive difference. Good-bad content is again, not the point. The amount and quality of content this year was less than last years. Not saying it was more or less enjoying. But Bungie clearly put less work into year 3 content. There is nowhere near as much content as a season from year 2. Doesn’t mean people can’t like the content. There is simply significantly less content. We’re not getting a Raid in any of these seasons. And for like the 3rd time, this is my opinion. Stop getting so offended because my opinion is not to your liking. You literally said Warmind was the best dlc....yet that’s only your opinion. I’ve been talking about quality of the content. That doesn’t mean it’s not likable or that it can’t be good. It means less work was put into them.[/quote] Yeah but it’s just a rumor tho.

Not a rumor... speculation.