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10/24/2018 9:46:41 PM
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Rough Estimates: Tenebra Mothership v2

<NOTICE: I'm not good at art. Know this. This took longer yet shorter than I expected. Know this. I'm shite at any semblance of photoshop and I apologize for having to expose your eyes to 7 tiny ass red dots. Know this. I'm [b]not[/b] a mathematician. Know this. Now, on with the post. A while ago I took Destinypedia's math on the Darkness when Rasputin sized it up. It ended up being nearly the size of Saturn, the Mothership I mean. This I later reduced in size when theorizing because that's just way too -blam!-ing big. Now, it turns out that I may have a way to figure out its size... but it isn't definitive. I looked towards the Mothership and started to count each light in a column, hoping it'd give me a frame of reference... I don't have one. All of this post is based on what I call "levels". Levels being the floor of a room and where they are. For example, there are 5 levels on a typical Cabal Warship. The command ships like the Immortal expand this to 7. The Mothership was much to big, however, so I looked towards the two smaller ships in front and tried to count from there. It was a little easier not only due to their proximity but their size to the Mothership which I actually have some reference for. I count 5 levels in the "lightened" area, and one at the bottom beneath the "Light Zone". I added a 7th just to sandwich the former. https://i.imgur.com/jKtDqJz.jpg If we go by Cabal levels, then the Light Zone of a small Pyramid Ship is as tall as a Cabal Warship, like the one that crashed into the Dreadnaught. The image below is one of the artist's references on the Traveler, its Cage, and the Immortal. It is this that I use as a source for the Traveler's supposed size. https://i.imgur.com/gEsKWwg.jpg As shown, the Immortal is 620 meters long. So I started comparing that to the shape of the Pyramid Ships and determined that the smaller ships are somewhere around 4000 meters, or 4 kilometers. That's easily dwarfed by the Leviathan, Almighty, and Dreadnaught, but make no mistake, that's still -blam!-ing big. For comparison, an Imperial Star Destroyer is ~1.6 km long. That's about 3 Imperial Star Destroyers lined up or 1.5 First Order Star Destroyers. (Yes, I know I put 1.2 and 4 while talking about Imperial Star Destroyers, my bad) That easily dwarfs any Cabal fleetship, though. Even the larger Carriers. Of course, the main event was trying to size up the Mothership. I took a look through the cutscene and saw 3 lined up right next to it, real close. In Image 2 you'll see red outline rather easily of the ship I chose to be my reference. Yes, it's a little smaller than that outline, which is why the sketch is a bit smaller as well. One small cruiser is about as tall as the bottom Light Zone on the Mothership. Then I started guesstimating how many cruisers would equal the length of the Mothership and... https://i.imgur.com/2XU4HwN.jpg Over 40 cruisers equal the length of the Mothership. I counted 42 but, like I said, I'm not really a good artist... at all. Anyway, 4 km * 42 is 168 so I rounded down a bit and wrote 160 kilometers long. I probably should've rounded up though thanks to my horrible line work. So ~160-170 km long... that's still way smaller than the Dreadnaught, Almighty, and Leviathan, but it's a lot bigger than it sounds when comparing them. That's over TWICE the size of Nessus (60km in diameter)! That's bigger than the first Death Star (120km in diameter)! That's a dozen times bigger than the Traveler and way bigger than the Last City! If this thing parks itself over the City, it's going to cover the whole god damned thing. Combined with the fleet of over a dozen ships, it's a recipe for disaster... Imgur album: https://imgur.com/a/OQ7AljB Any thoughts (again) on the impending doom in 2 years?>

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  • Edited by Alasdair: 10/25/2018 2:12:53 PM
    This is why I think they've been coined as "the darkeness". When people speak of the darkeness, they don't speak of this rolling black cloud of pestilence that kills all in it's wake, I'm thinking it's literally these ships and because of they're size and lack of comprehension, all they know is it gets dark when they invade, due to some pretty intuitive tactics. Their invasion tactic, in my opinion, has always been like this: 1. Send a smaller ship to scout. 2. Confirm. 3. Mothership invades during the day, parking really close to the planet's surface, blocking out all light. 4. Send in the attack ships during the hysteria to decimate life, take no prisoners. They don't strike me as a species/entity that loots, so I doubt any of our tech would go missing. When the time comes to fight these things, I only hope that Bungie gives it more justice than a Ghaul, or Xol fight..

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    • Here is some more sources that might help you a little more for figuring out the relative scale of these things.

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        I have to say. The Traveler did a good job not getting annihilated by that ship and its armada (is it being called Tenebra now). How the Traveler managed to fend that ship off is beyond me, and there's no doubt in my mind it knew that armada was coming, so I want to know why after it cultivated our species, why didn't it just leave. People are gonna say, "Rasputin shot it down," but I think we can agree that's just not in his pay grade. He can't take on paracausal beings of that power. That's in addition to the Traveler dealing with the Vex, it being "strangled" by the Dark Heart in the Black Garden, and the Hive were feeding on its Light in one of the D1 side missions. Do you think it would've been more successful it had made the Guardians sooner?

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      • Wow good job don't know if its right but good job...

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      • Wow good job don't know if its right but good job...

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      • Wow good job don't know if its right but good job...

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      • Can i piss around some random numbers too? 😂 Boredom is a b* huh? 😂

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        • I don't understand. You have yourself stated that you have no reference for scale or distance, so how can these numbers be trusted even as "rough" estimates?

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          • Why couldn't it be the size of Saturn though?

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            • Not god at art are you? I am worser than you yessss?

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            • Yeah that leviathan is very popular with the ladies,but but whether we wanted it or not, we've stepped into a war with the Cabal on Mars. So let's get to taking out their command, one by one. Valus Ta'aurc. From what I can gather, he commands the Siege Dancers from an Imperial Land Tank just outside of Rubicon. He's well protected, but with the right team, we can punch through those defenses, take this beast out, and break their grip on Freehold.

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              • That is definitely big, although after Leviathin, no other ship is going to impress with size alone.

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                • Edited by H1vac: 10/25/2018 8:09:22 PM
                  The ships are over 25,000 lightyears away from earth (outside of the milkyway galaxy, Traveler’s egg of light expands to about half the galaxy). It probably hasn’t reached the ships at all yet. The reason I mentioned this is because I went into a large hypothetical paragraph as to how you could calculate the size of the ships using the distance the light traveled and how long it took for the light to engulf the ships, but I rebooted my phone so its gone. Anyways it’s going to take more than two years in game to reach us so our guardians will be extremely old. Edit: Also I calculated the width of the ship, from the side we can see to the hidden part to be about 1,136 lightyears which sounds totally absurd but I realized that I should have started with half the radius of the Milky Way so about 568.18 lightyears, much more reasonable but really it’s not. Edit: You could have used the stars in the background, stacked one of them ontop of a copy, figured out the ratio of the stars in the video to their actual size; using the color to find out how far they were(color shifts over distance so you possibly could figure out how far they were), and multiplied/divided to figure out the vertical size. Hypothetically.

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                  • Where's that Traveler sofa picture you drew?

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                    • So it's a small moon. Not bigger than the second death star I am going to guess.

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                      • Did you forget about the Leviathan? It can eat nessus whole if it wanted. It's called the world eater

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                        • Great job. I noticed last week when talking to the queen after presenting an offering when you jump through the portal there’s a small holo-table on the left side that has this fleet projected. Very cool stuff.

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                        • Most of the posts on these forums are just a bunch of 12 year olds arguing with each other. But your posts inspire critical thought, and help inspire discission of this awesome, unique franchise. Thank you, Mind.

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                        • Well we know what D3 is about.(If it even exists)

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                        • lol now watch Bungie put in a cutscene of that thing hovering over the whole damn Earth and laser beaming the shit. Ah...Bungie and their proportions...

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                          • lmao cant wait for the leviathan to vore this bitch

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                            • The Veil mothership is coming, and they want their god back.

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                            • I mean this destiny those guys are gonna smashed

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                            • We’ll probably kill whatever is in there in a raid. Hope it drops good loot

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                              • Well fek

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                              • Edited by Lia: 10/24/2018 9:54:17 PM
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                                [quote]That's over TWICE the size of Nessus[/quote] Holy Fek. Calus has competition, apparently.

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