[quote]The numbers that die from war, plauge, genocide, and famine are the same as they would be if they died from old age. Are these things bad then?[/quote] Wut??????? According to [i]your[/i] argument, if I shot & killed someone (not that I would, Ninjas - I'm talking hypothetically here!) then that could be argued as not bad because that person would've died from old age, at some time? If that argument is classed as intelligent, I'm done.