Then there's no point playing the game at all using that logic is there? There's always going to be items that will outdate the current ones. If the raid (which is essentially the ultimate element of the game) is "grinding" then what is all the rest of the game to you? You're contradicting your own logic.

Or how about I wait, get level 34 gear from vendors like everyone else will before they go for the arena raid, not bother with the grinding and save all those shards Ect? Certainly more economical and would at least allow me to retain more individuality. Besides, I kinda thought the point of the game, or any game as a matter of fact was *fun*, not "Lets get to the next arbitrary number that the devs made to keep me playing longer"? When I play Destiny I play because I want to shoot some aliens in the face, or gun down some other superhuman nut jobs in PVP, not because I want to do the same thing over and over so I can look like everyone else in armor that doesn't particularly appeal to me.

Well I must question what you're doing on a thread about being included in a fireteam for the hard raid. If you think it's about gear then you're utterly clueless. The hard raid is currently the most difficult thing to do in the game. There is an element of achievement and enjoyment in completing it. I dont see how you see doing the raid as repetition but are happy to do the same patrols, strikes and crucible whenever you're playing the game. To criticise a diffrent element of the game and call that repetitive when you have barely (if ever) played is just plain moronic. If you're happy to sit on your arse for more than a month getting your head kicked in playing crucible while you wait to buy some gear then power to you. Don't cry however when people are making fireteams for the raid and we're asking for players that have actually put effort in to make sure they're not a burden to the other 5 players.

If I was looking for something where I'd find an element of achievement for doing something difficult then I would play monster hunter or dark souls. Both of which are more rewarding and varied from my experience, Monster Hunter 4 is more than likely going to kill Destiny for me when it comes out. If you actually read the original post, both mine and the threads original post you'd realize that this is about the elitism of 32's. The "I'm better than you because..." Oh, and for the record I have no intention to spend the next month and a half grinding the crucible or whatever as before march 10th I get a nice 2 week work trip to HK, Valentines Day, and then Chinese new year, which is kinda a big deal for my better half's side of the family. Understandably, between that and work I don't have a lot of time to do the same crap over and over again.

Yet you're going to return to the game to "do the same crap over and over again" anyway. If it's all such a drag to you, why not just play all the games you consider superior if you're telling me that your game time is so precious?

Finished Dark Souls, Monster Hunter 4 isn't out until the 31st of March. Incidentally, I haven't done the same crap over and over, I have a level 30 hunter and a level 2 warlock which I started on the idea of maybe making an alt. but I really couldn't be fussed to painfully sit through the non-story and bad voice acting. If you had read my plan I'm just gonna wait until house of wolves drops and get gear I actually want an easier way that allows me minimal effort, and maximum gain. Efficiency, economics and a sense of individuality aren't your thing are they? I could grind pointlessly to get the same gear everyone else has, or I could wait a month and get better gear with much less time and effort. Hmmm. Lets illustrate the point differently: Everyone has an Iphone 6, and it cost 5000 units of whatever local currency you use, however Samsung are going to release a new, better and more powerful phone in a month at the cost of 3500 units of local currency, This phone may not be as powerful as the Iphone 7 due out around the same time which will be priced around 6000 units, but it runs on Android so it naturally allows you to customize it a lot further. Are you going to buy an iphone 6 now? Or are you going to wait?

A phone and a game are two wildly different things. If you're idea of fun is about efficiency and economucs then you can't be much fun at parties. You want to be "individual" yet you're happy to buy the same vendor gear as everyone else. I want to complete elements of the game that require teamwork and something nit everyone has achieved up until this point. I also enjoy the social aspect of raiding. You obviously have no experience of this and go out of your way to justify your own position. Guess what, I'm going to get the houe of wolves gear and then I'm going to do that raid too and then I'll get that gear too.

And whilst you do that, I will be being fun at parties, and, yes, even buying gear that is available to everyone else would be far more individual that wearing the same gear as everyone else. The phone thing was to attempt to illustrate the point to you, but you clearly lack the imagination for metaphors. My ideas of fun are not based around efficiency or economics, I simply have an understanding of them and don't see the point in doing a grand task that would be rendered useless by the point the next DLC drops. All I need really to say to retort to the last part is to simply remind you that you are going out of your way to argue with someone on the internet who you have never met because their ideas of fun don't line up with yours. Honestly, I don't really care if I am amongst the first people in the world to do something in a video game. I don't really hold anything I do in games as achievements managing to take down a Blackhawk's pilot and gunner in Bad Company 2 or completing my Pokedex never did anything for my career, love life, financial or social standing, which are kinda a lot more important. Acting like an elitist or having some form of superiority complex due to your "achievements" in a video game is kinda sad mate.

If you don't see the point in the game until the next DLC drops, why play the game at all? There'll be ANOTHER DLC a couple of months later which will make your purchase of the vendor gear useless. So the question is this: If you consider playing the game in it's current format a "grand task" (FYI it really isn't you're just displaying ignorance to something you clearly haven't done) why are you going to buy the DLC? It's going to be exactly the same situation. Are you looking forward to one more strike and a few more missions? Are you looking forward to getting killed on a couple more crucible maps? You talk about how playing the game is pointless, yet you play it and you're going to spend more money on it. To justify your own stance suggesting that raiding is pointless is hypocritical since it's no different to what you're doing. You talk about how you want to be individual, yet you wear the same gear as everyone else as well. FYI, it's ironic that you're continually making references to an active social life and that an ingame achievement is sad. Considering you're supporting the OP about people looking down their nose at others yet you're doing precisely the same thing. I could go on the defence and harp on about my own life outside of the game as a counter to your constant inference that you have some sort of superior social life, that of course is a pointless exercise. For starters, I could talk about how I'm an astronaut on the international space station. It makes not one jot of a difference because this is the internet and I'm not so insecure about it that I bother to waste my time on the matter with strangers.

No, the mention of my life outside gaming is merely to point out that there is a life outside of gaming, clearly something that you are unawares of as you seem determined to win argument on this basis that I disagree with your elitist stance that only grinding the raid and excluding or demeaning anyone who isn't up to your "standard", that is what I am looking down on, not the achievement itself, but the attitude that people seem to acquire having done it. The point I was making was that I realize that this is just a game, something to pass my free time with, not something to be a dick about because I've done something in them. Now, I never said the raid was pointless, what I said was pointless was the idea of grinding for something that is shortly going to be outdated especially when the only reward is to look like every other 32. To counter your point as to getting vendor gear and "looking like everyone else", please enlighten me on why I see more visual differences between everyone under 32 than I do with everyone who is 32? Oh wait, I think I know the answer to that one. Tell you what, I will continue to play the game the way that I like, not giving a damn if you think "I'm playing it wrong" and you can continue to be an astronaut on the ISS with really good WiFi who despite the expansive view from his window has a mind so narrow that it cannot consider the possibility of more than one right answer or one way to do things. We good? Great! Now just to annoy you further I am going to purchase the nice little rifle that Xur is selling this week as I'm sure you'd love to tell me I'm wrong for doing that too.