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1/17/2015 9:21:06 PM
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It is an honor to serve one's country, something most of the punks here could use.
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Edited by NeXuS: 1/18/2015 6:51:51 AMThere's no "honour" in fighting someone else's war, unless your country is under direct threat of invasion, or is a pre-emptive strike to defend against an impending "mass" attack, or invasion from another country (like the Americans joining WW2). Fighting for a corrupt government agenda is not honourable, whichever way you slice it.
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The honor is serving your country. I did not say there was honor in war you self righteous brat.
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Edited by NeXuS: 1/18/2015 7:06:04 AMWhere's the honour in serving your country, if the your country is fighting an unjust war? (Hypothetically). Fighting for your country, simply because you live there, isn't honourable. Fighting for a cause, that is just, is honourable. Invading a country based on false pretences is dishonourable. Oldfag.
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Edited by angry0lbgrampa: 1/18/2015 7:08:01 AMFirst of all. The war in Afghanistan is not unjust. It is/was a Taliban/Al Qaeda stronghold. The terrorist group behind the terrorist attacks against western nations . Second. The war in Iraq was also justified. Weapons of mass destruction were in fact found, in mass quantities in fact. However they were disposed of secretly. Some of the EOD's who were harmed by this hazardous disposal are only just now being given there benefits. Now the WMDs that were discovered were not in fact the ones we expected. However they existed. Also Saddam Hussein was a barbaric evil ruler, and the things he did to his people on a daily basis more than justifies the war for me. If you didn't know, one of the presidential cabinet positions was presidential rapist, meaning the head rapist for whoever needed being -blam!-.
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Edited by NeXuS: 1/18/2015 8:10:32 AMAll I'm hearing is "speculation, speculation, speculation". Not that I was referencing the current war in Iraq, but I will now that you brought it up. America went to war with Iraq, because of an isolated (but very serious, and terrible) act of aggression, by Islamic extremists, and used it as justification for committing mass genocide against a people, because they follow a different faith - millions of innocents dead, in retaliation for a few thousand. And of course, they wanted oil. Just like my country did, but they used the threat of potential WMD strikes as the prime justification for the invasion, which coincidentally have yet to be publicly found. Imaginary WMD's. It's all well and good saying "they were disposed of secretly" when talking about WMD's (one of the main reasons for the invasion), but it can't be substantiated. It's your theory, and there's absolutely no proof. Should proof come to light in the future, I'd be very inclined to agree with you. What seems bizarre is that you believe the were disposed of secretly. What would be the point in hiding one of the very justifications for the invasion in the first place? Doesn't seem logical. Regardless, it's irrelevant. I will never fight a war, unless my country is in direct threat of invasion. There's no honour in fighting someone else's war, or fighting for someone else's ideology. Fighting for someone else is not the same as defending your country. Simply serving your country just because you happen to have been born there is not honourable. It's blindly following orders and its a sign of a moron that can't think for themselves. The justification for enlistment is where honour comes into play; if your justification for enlisting, is to preserve and defend your people - that is a very honourable cause, and deserves the utmost respect. The only time fighting for your country is honourable, is when your fighting to defend your way of life, your family, your friends from an invading force, defending your allies who are under threat from invasion, or fighting for an oppressed people. Don't get me wrong though. I'm not saying that current soldiers in Iraq are dishonourable; they joined under the assumption that they would be defending their country, but don't try and kid us on, the war in Iraq isn't honourable, and fighting it definitely isn't either. It's an unjust war, built upon lies, concocted to invade a country for their oil supply.
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[quote]All I'm hearing is "speculation, speculation, speculation". Not that I was referencing the current war in Iraq, but I will now that you brought it up. America went to war with Iraq, because of an isolated (but very serious, and terrible) act of aggression, by Islamic extremists, and used it as justification for committing mass genocide against a people, because they follow a different faith - millions of innocents dead, in retaliation for a few thousand. And of course, they wanted oil. Just like my country did, but they used the threat of potential WMD strikes as the prime justification for the invasion, which coincidentally have yet to be publicly found. Imaginary WMD's. It's all well and good saying "they were disposed of secretly" when talking about WMD's (one of the main reasons for the invasion), but it can't be substantiated. It's your theory, and there's absolutely no proof. Should proof come to light in the future, I'd be very inclined to agree with you. What seems bizarre is that you believe the were disposed of secretly. What would be the point in hiding one of the very justifications for the invasion in the first place? Doesn't seem logical. Regardless, it's irrelevant. I will never fight a war, unless my country is in direct threat of invasion. There's no honour in fighting someone else's war, or fighting for someone else's ideology. Fighting for someone else is not the same as defending your country. Simply serving your country just because you happen to have been born there is not honourable. It's blindly following orders and its a sign of a moron that can't think for themselves. The justification for enlistment is where honour comes into play; if your justification for enlisting, is to preserve and defend your people - that is a very honourable cause, and deserves the utmost respect. The only time fighting for your country is honourable, is when your fighting to defend your way of life, your family, your friends from an invading force, defending your allies who are under threat from invasion, or fighting for an oppressed people. Don't get me wrong though. I'm not saying that current soldiers in Iraq are dishonourable; they joined under the assumption that they would be defending their country, but don't try and kid us on, the war in Iraq isn't honourable, and fighting it definitely isn't either. It's an unjust war, built upon lies, concocted to invade a country for their oil supply.[/quote]
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I agree, I think a lot of the opinions on here are based on propaganda, ignorance, and convictions about the US Military in the current situation it's in. There are logically based arguments of why not to serve which some have used, but mostly it's like "fuk da military yo"
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Yep. I served, I have no time for the ignorant.
