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Edited by Baumguy: 1/12/2015 7:31:43 PM
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I'd like to point out that he was associated with it in Thorn 2 because they were in the City of Palamon, where Jaren lived, and that he later went after Yor for vengeance. After Dredgen Yor killed those three men, and supposedly razed Palamon to the ground (it mentioned Jaren and his "team" turning their backs on Palamon's ashes), Jaren grouped up with survivors from the city and went after Yor, looking to take the fight to him. Plus, Jaren wielded Last Word, not the Rose. And Last Word still existed after Thorn, so Last Word literally cannot be Thorn. Not to mention that the entire tragedy of Dredgen Yor was that his last comfort would be that people would remember him as he was before the transformation, and that they wouldn't remember him for the sufferings he'd cause. I think it's more tragic that we never get a glimpse of who he was before. All we ever hear about it Yor. And the reason Jaren's Ghost didn't revive him is because Yor presumably drained all of Jaren's Light, like he did to the "cliché bandit" and his three friends in that bar in Palamon. Ghosts can only revive people if they have traces of the Traveler's Light in them. There's just too many instances of Ward and Yor being at the same place at the same time. They're two different men, with two different weapons. Plus, Ward had literally no motivation to suddenly give into darkness; if anything, those "dead kids" would make him fight to save them even more before ending himself randomly in the woods one night. Go reread all of the Ghost Fragments for Last Word and Thorn, you get some blew information in Last Word 3 from The Dark Below that really nixes and chance of them being the same person.
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  • Edited by OriginalHarmz: 1/12/2015 8:56:04 PM
    You also make a point of mine; Ward wanted his noble and righteous name to remain untainted by the acts he would later commit as Yor. What better way to make sure that happens than to pretend you're dead? If he was famous enough that his memory mattered; we would know about him. Remember Darth Vader "killed" Anakin Skywalker.

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  • When do Jaren and Dredgen ever get mentioned being at the same place aside from simple associations? Palamons ashes refers to the ruined city once the despot Loken was killed by Ward. Dredgen Yor was hunted for killing Pahanin Errata, not the guys in the bar. Why would Shin Malphur say "Your's not mine" to Dredgen when he didn't even know the reference to begin with? I never claimed thorn came from TLW; I said that Jaren came in possession of the Thorn (a Rose as he first saw it) on the moon before being corrupted by it slowly. When you do the Thorn bounty you never actually use the weapon but it still mentions it whispering to you; trying to corrupt you before the cleansing. We don't know of any other historical men who could have transformed into such a formidable hunter, Ward was the greatest ever and Yor dethroned the greatest crucible champion ever.

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