Bump. Raids can't be rendered obsolete otherwise you have a diminishing spectrum of content (and clear a generally held concern). Raids are hard enough for people to get a group for and finish, don't render the rewards useless. As a minimum there should be the ability to reforge raid weapons in a similar but better way to exotics. For instance, have to finish Vog on hard to earn an upgrade token which you can take to vanguard etc. Then leaves all upgrades except the final three nodes. Frankly this upgrade method should be sat us quo for any weapon or item upgrade. Still a grind, but one with a point and not rendering previous grind effectively obsolete. Similar to this, raid gear should be upgradeable in a similar/identical way to the above suggestion. What happened to promoting diversity in characters image? All you'll have is teams of identical looking raiders saved for their exotic item. Ridiculous! Iron banner is another issue. I didn't even try it once this time. There's no value in anything you get from it. Especially as a reforge resets all progress and primary has no solar/arc/void. Effectively pointless if you have expansive set of raid weapons. Grind is fine if it represents progression from the point you had achieved otherwise it's 2 steps back, 1 forward. The most annoying thing is you look at different areas of the game and the principles are there. Trading (albeit limited and with poor economies) with Eris, vanguard vouchers, iron banner reforge, xur upgrades (again, albeit bad economies and upgrade reset). They just haven't been combined in an effective and sensible way which is the major frustration for me and a lot of people I play with. Another thought. Why can't you trade all materials in some way like a real economy. Maybe even auction items and weapons? Then the tower actually becomes useful and social rather than another place you just run around in. Rambling post over.