To put my own opinion on what i think is a good topic touches on what a few people have said. Apologies in advance if anyone has posted the following suggestion word for word but the threat is too big for me to check all previous posts... I think it is correct that the CE weapons should be among the most powerful in the game. However, it is crappy that the new guns not obtained in the raid are also better than those guns obtained in the last raid. I feel the solution is a little convoluted, but makes long term sense to the progression system bungie have chosen (and more importantly have every right to continue to use). Raid gear should not be legendary in status. All raid drops should be designated MYTHIC and should be red or some other colour to differentiate. In the hiararchy of guns, legendary guns should shoot for 331, with older legendary guns being upgradable to 331 with a weapon mod sold by the gunsmith - lets give it a really crappy name for the sake of being like 'frame of fortune'. If you want to upgrade a legendary gun, you'll need 4000 glimmer and a vanguard or crucible commendation (either is fine) to buy the 'frame of fortune) which will get older legendary weapons to 331. So that covers legendary. Mythic (raid) weapons would have to be different, a patch would see all CE weapons achieve a maximum damage stat of 340. All the VOG weapons would be re-designated 'mythic' and would have a 331 base damage - this is because i feel it is correct that CE should at the moment offer the best weapons in the game. vOG guns can meet the 331 standard, but the currect raid guns should always be a bit more to encourage forward progression. 'But what about when house of wolves comes out?' came the inevitable cry of horror from the community... This is where the gunsmith comes in again. Once the new HOW raid drops the weapons will likely top out at 350. At this stage, old raid weapons should meet the 340 damage from CE to avoid them being left behind. For lets call it 6000 glimmer and a recommendation our trusty gunsmith could fit a 'frame of the furious' (these names keep getting better and better eh?!) to get the gun to that 340 figure! Legendary weapons would again be able to reupgraded from 331 or even all the way down from 300 with a frame of fortune 2.0, which would increase with each further content drop. The reason i think this route works is it continues to use the concept of vanguard commendations - which currently i find myself nit using. The guns for sale simply aren't that cracking in my opinion (hell, my opinion isn't a very knowledgeable one - I'm not the brightest light out in the darkness i assure you, but i have been playing since day one so i think I've got as much of a right as anyone to claim i think i know what they're trying to do progression wise). I sometimes feel like agent K in men in black - terrible analagy coming up here - but my guns are my guns. I dont have many of them but what I have i like. If some bug swallows them up (read as the bug being a dlc drop haha) id like the chance to be able to go in and get them back (read as jump into the dlc and start upgrading old gear to make it useful again) Wow. We made it through the terrible analagy. Is everyone okay? If tou didnt just blow your brains out over the tedium of that last paragraph please write to bungie directly for a free uncommon engram. Its on me ;) If i could use those commendations to buy items that would upgrade the guns i love - [i]my guns[/i] - i would totally jump into that. Hopefully you get the point. Redesignating guns mythic removes the growing confusion around what gear does what and where it maxes out. It'd also help clarify for armour what catagory reaches what levels. mythic/raid gear would always reach the highest levels - i always seem to be explaining to an xmas noob that some legendaries will get you to level 30, some to 31 and some to 32. Hell we could even have an upgrade system allowing VOG gear to get to 31 (again, i feel the current raid should always offer a slightly better prize until the next dlc drop, meaning VOG gear at level 32 would only be available after the HOW raid launches. Does that make sense? Sorry for the long post, but this thread speaks to these ideas ive had for sometime (cheers OP) Happy killing y'all.