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1/7/2015 6:39:51 PM
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Compared to the other sections of CE, it is the hardest. Granted, it is not very hard, but it takes some more work and coordination than the other ones. All for no reward. So what is the point of doing it? Would you do Gatekeeper or Templar if it gave no rewards?
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Edited by Jonesy: 1/7/2015 6:48:06 PMHaha, the hardest? The deathsinger phase is by far the easiest of the 4 phases for CE. 3 left, 3 right, wizards lured out, kill them. All 5 go to right side, start killing Knights with sword outside doorway while 6th takes out 2 shriekers. Once shriekers are dead, the knights on right side should be dead, so begin killing knights, acolytes and thrall inside right doorway. Once she begins Liturgy, she becomes immobile for 30 seconds, plenty of time to kill her with ease. It's stupid how easy she is and no one tries, assuming she's hard or doing stupid things to make her hard. In the end, people waste more time looking for a Crota CP when they could spend 5 minutes tops on Deathsinger phase and be done with it.
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Yes, that is the process for doing that phase, but how about the description for the other phases: 1. Walk through while invisible. 2. Snipe stuff while invisible. 3. -Your long description here- 4. Shoot crota and sword bearer and watch relic holder smash Crota (or smash Crota yourself as relic holder). Yet, the Deathsinger section takes the longest description? Clearly it takes more effort than the other section. If you were to put a first-timer into this raid, I guarantee that the part they would have the most trouble with is DeathSinger (given no prior explanation). Also, 5 minutes tops doing Deathsinger section? When you have to do it in 2-3 minutes? K. I still do the Deathsinger section just because I'm too lazy to find a party that has Crota CP with all the people advertising for Fresh Crota, but if I was given the choice to skip it, I would, because it's the only section that doesn't give rewards.
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1.) The other sections require a lot more description if you plan on doing it legit, not cheesing. Deathsinger doesn't have a cheese to simplify aside from getting wizards to come out without the need of luring them out. 2.) The deathsong is 3 minutes long. If you don't start the deathsong right away by avoiding fire from and to the enemies in the courtyard below Ir Yut, you can kill both wizards without worry of the 3 minute timer. Once you want to kill shriekers though, you must start the deathsong. Done properly, you can get more than enough time to kill Ir Yut, even without the 30 second to hold her stil. 3.) After Ir Yut is dead, phase doesn't end. You have to kill nearly every knight in order to end the phase, so even if you do start the deathsong right away and finish in 3 minutes, that doesn't mean you finished phase. Those knights will still take a full team of 32s a minute or two to kill them all. So tops 5 minutes, yes. 4.) Like I said, reward or not, it's the fastest and most simple section in all of Crota's End. To my team, it's simply a walk through and not worth our time to find a Crota CP.
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1) So you automatically assume I am not doing it legit? As a hunter with all invisibility perks and Don't Touch Me, the 1st section becomes incredibly easy. Look down the path at the lights and walk. And once you get to the end, you can crouch behind the rock and the enemies can't find you. And since I am pretty much invisible all the time, it's literally a stroll in a very dark park. Very easy to solo. Granted, the 2nd section could give Deathsinger a run for it's money, but in my eyes, I find it very easy. Just kill stuff. And, the final boss is easy. 2) It's not really a big deal because the Wizards die so fast anyways. Just because another section is longer doesn't mean it is harder. The Deathsinger section is fairly short. But the other sections are very easy. Such as the 1st section. It might takes a minute or two longer, but it's really just walking. 3) I never really considered that part of the phase. I don't even consider the Deathsinger a phase because I don't get reward for completing it. I'm on a tight schedule, so I would prefer to do things that benefit me, not a section of a raid that gives me nothing. 4) The whole raid is easy. I'm just saying the Deathsinger section requires you to pay attention a little more.
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Edited by Jonesy: 1/7/2015 7:33:32 PMI'm going to call you out on not doing it legit right now. If you have ever done bridge legit, you will know it is by no means easier then Deathsinger phase. You have to get 3 players over with a sword, each one must kill a gatekeeper that can easily kill them, even if they are level 32. If one dies, next person has 2 gatekeepers to kill. Once 3 are over, the 3 on far side must now hold bridge up while under fire, enemies include ultras while you have to get minimum 2 more over to even begin sequence with ogres. Without minimum 5 over, ogres will not spawn. Once 5/6 make it across, you can't simply hide and kill shit as the Totems will randomly charge up, even without a player on platform, making it so you have to be out in the fight with thralls meleeing you, boomers and wizards firing at you (some of which are ultras) and 2 ogres that are a near instant kill on a 32 still, both of which are ultras. That's assuming everyone made it without dying. What happens if 2 people back at spawn are the only 2 left and both die? Well, entire team has to wipe as there is no way to go back to revive them since Swordbearer isn't on your side. Odds are, without proper team work, you're going to wipe over and over. Deathsinger on the other hand can be solo'd easily without cheeses, whereas Bridge is risky as hell and will have a few wipes before you can manage a solo on it without cheesing.
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So you're calling me out on not doing it legit simply because I claim I am a hunter and can go invisible. Yes, I am telling you that I think that section is that easy. Maybe you can put it into perspective and realize people are good at different things. For example, I don't find that the confluxes in VoG are the hardest part but many people do.
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Edited by Jonesy: 1/7/2015 8:02:33 PMMy hunter is my main, so if you don't mind, stop assuming things. I'm not calling out hunters anywhere. I'm calling out you not doing the bridge legit. Legit means, building the bridge, killing the swordbearer once bridge is built, cross bridge, kill Gatekeeper, repeat process till all but 1 player minimum is across to activate ogre sequence, survive onslaught of ogre ultras, wizard ultras, knight ultras, normal wizards, normal knights, normal acolytes and a buttload of thrall and cursed thrall until ogres are dead, while making sure Totems don't overload. You keep saying "sniping while invisible" here, but invisibility will only protect you for so long and you can't just hide back sniping as Totems overload, even without middle platform activated, so you would have to be down in the fray, not sitting idly on the side line. So if you did do this phase legitly, you would be aware of all these mechanics. However, if you cheese the bridge and snipe ogres from one side, you would never have known there were extra mechanics in play if someone was across the bridge with the ogres. Cheesers are lucky as hell those totems don't overload until all but 1 player is across. And the confluxes as an example on finding certain things easy or not? Confluxes are simple, especially the left side that everyone wants 2-3 players guarding. 1 Fatebringer on a level 32 with Ghorn for Minotaurs means easy solo on left conflux. I'm all down to see your skill on confluxes too, anytime I'm on, just send me invite. I'll be the judge of your "confluxes are easy".
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You do realize that with Don't touch me, I can go invisible when I get hit, which makes it even more viable for me to go down into the fray. I can literally make myself always invisible. With specific gear equipped, I can also have 100% melee cooldown which allows me to use Blink Strike for invisibility very often. I used this invisibility build specifically for PvE because it practically makes me untouchable. And since I do this with a fireteam, things become even easier when I have a Defender on my fireteam. Really, with a good fireteam, most of the phases are very easy, and some are solo-able.
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Edited by Jonesy: 1/7/2015 8:14:54 PMYou do realize Don't Touch Me works when you're melee'd, not just hit by anything, right? Don't Touch Me won't turn you invisible for shit when you have Wizards, Knights and Ogres raining a hellstorm of plasma on your ass. Honestly, you're speaking as if I don't own a Hunter. Let me make this more clear as you simply over read it prior. [b]My main is my HUNTER[/b]. I have all the exotics maxed out, including Don't Touch Me, my Bladedancer is set to maximum invisibility perks possible, I know how it all works. Trust me, you're invisibility will work on Thralls, it won't work as well as it did in Lamp Section as it will for Bridge. Second, I never said they were impossible, I'm completely aware of solos as I have already done CE solo myself quite a few times, even without invisibility. Guess what, all solos I did on CE were with my Hunter too! I know how easy and broken this raid is, but if you plan to do legit with a team or as a solo, bridge is by far harder than Deathsinger. Bridge requires skill, otherwise, you will easily die. Deathsinger requires timing which is actually very easy to do on her. If you follow the routine method, she'll be downed without any problems at all.
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Honestly, it works for me. If I have to run around, crouch, or blink strike to go invisible I will. Sure you have a hunter, too, but this is my playstyle and I've gotten good at it. I have all the time in the world to do the bridge section, so it's no problem going invisible when I have to. Invisibility is Null if the Deathsinger phase because it's timed. I usually switch to Gunslinger here to increase my reload and stability, but I prefer my Invisibility build. Therefore, any phase that allows me to use Invisibility is easy for me, and any phase that isn't requires me to use a playstyle I don't really like. I'm just saying, this is how I see things. I don't really care if other people disagree. We all have different strengths and weaknesses. At least this conversation is more reasonable than the guy down there who called me a cheater because I can walk through the 1st phase while being invisible.
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You only need 1 across to spawn them
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Edited by Jonesy: 1/7/2015 8:17:14 PMNot true at all. You need 1 across to spawn mobs. You need entire team but 1 across to allow ogres to spawn. Team of 2? 1 needs to cross for Ogres to spawn. Team of 3? 2 need to cross. Team of 4? 3 need to cross. Etc.
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Edited by Sithisvoid666: 1/7/2015 6:42:21 PMIts not hard at all you are just bad. Also i run entire raids with no rewards
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Lol... I didn't even say it was hard. Is your reading comprehension that bad? I said compared to the other sections, it takes a little more work, but you make that extra effort for no reward. It's even easier for me because I have AP rounds and can lure the Wizards out by shooting them through the wall. But honestly, I would rather not make an extra effort, no matter how tiny, for no reward.
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Edited by Sithisvoid666: 1/7/2015 7:00:34 PMHere let me quote you like you can't just reread the dribble you wrote [quote]Compared to the other sections of CE, it is the hardest[/quote] and no, no it isn't. It's a cakewalk
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So, you think the 1st Phase of CE requires more effort that the Deathsinger section? The section where you literally just walk until you reach the end? Sorry.. if you think even the 1st phase of CE is harder that Deathsinger... I don't think just saying you are bad would cut it. The 1st phase of CE IS literally a cake walk. In case you are still lacking reading comprehension skills, Deathsinger phase is harder that the other sections. Does that mean it is hard, in general? No, it doesn't. But, it is harder as in it requires a little more effort. It's like saying solving 4 times 4 is harder than 1 plus 1. Neither are hard, but 4 times 4 requires more work.
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Nope it's a three minute fight and is not hard at all. It's harder to fight the hoards of thrall
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If you're fighting hoards of thrall you're doing something wrong.
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I Probably am. Like i said it's hard to find a group that wants to run legit and I've had to deal with all sorts. The few times someone didn't want to just glitch off the rock next to the second lamp we grouped up, fought off hoards of thrall and went light to light.
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I think you just keep talking because you can't admit you're wrong. Like I said, I'm a hunter, so I can walk through the entire thing while invisible. If I wanted to fight thrall, I could then just use my fatebringer. Either way, both ways are legit and incredibly easy.
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Edited by Sithisvoid666: 1/7/2015 7:46:34 PMI'm not wrong the people skipping parts of the raid are. If you can't do it all you're a scrubloard plain and simple and you can justify that however you like but it's the god's honest truth and everyone knows it. You're also now muted because I don;t want to listen to your mouth anymore because you're wrong and a cheater
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Gooood let the rage FLOW through you. It's too bad you're not a hunter and can't go invisible. There are so many videos on youtube of hunters walking through the 1st section while invisible. I'm sure you'll be able to find them once you improve your reading comprehension and learn to use the search function
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I do confluxes every time.
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me too
