I have thorn 2.0 maxed TLW 2.0 maxed love them both, but prefer TLW for the hipfire. Wish I could dual wield! I'm working on crucible for 1969 but I have the vanguard tdyd with 5 rounds, I hate it. Shouldn't have bought it. Never dropped fate bringer never bought the iron banner hc. Really want hawkmoon. But more than anything I need a black hammer so that I can use TLW at all times instead of resorting to Ice breaker