Sorry, I kinda feel that since this has some MMO aspects, these older weapons should be left behind and time to move on to the new ones. The new primaries will be dropping once Hard Mode Crota drops. We were lucky to be able to upgrade our existing Exotics. Most other games with MMO gameplay or certain aspects make you grind for new gear AND weapons. Out with the old, in with the new. Plus.........these old weapons still have a lot of relevance. I use my VoC and Hazen Vengeance in Crota's End. They do just fine. Actually feel like VoC is still better than the upgraded Surros.