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1/4/2015 9:56:57 PM
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Halo in its current form is in the hands of a bumbling developer. The Halo of old was better than Destiny.
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A bumbling developer? At least they can put out a complete game while trying to mix modern day appeal while recognizing what fans want. Bungie could not even put out a complete game, Givin the fact that they have had 10 years. You want to see the results of what 10 years should do for a game, look at final fantasy 15. That is the results of ten years lol. 343 only has like 2 years or 3 and they are gonna make a better game in terms of coding, design, structure, and overall game play, not to mention environments and a story.
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MCC is a working game, huh? They couldn't even take someone else's work and re-release it
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It is a working game, the only issue is that the servers were bad for online, they are getting better though and also 343 isn't in charge of the direct servers, Microsoft is, so whatever issues they are having are for the most part are Microsofts fault and how their servers are dealing with 343.
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Edited by Shadow Artiste: 1/4/2015 11:25:51 PMSo much denial.
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Well being someone who owns the game I can say first hand that the servers are better and that we are gonna get so much free stuff including an anniversary re make of the map relic for putting up with the issues. Also halo 5 beta had fine working servers with only a little issues so Microsoft definitely prioritized halo 5
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So, it's still having problems? I'm confused
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It will occasionally take a while to find people, I don't know if that's due to not a ton of people playing or server issues but, but if you compared it to the halo 5 beta it's slower. That could be due to a difference in playlists though because the beta has only 2 right now and MCC has like 10. MCC works fine though because now you can actually find people at a good pace. And the game is really fun when you can actually find people lol.
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Edited by Shadow Artiste: 1/5/2015 12:58:03 AMSo, they still can't get 10 year old games that Bungie had working up and running properly, and they have to issue numerous patches, apologies and free stuff to compensate ... bumbling
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Again the issue is more on Microsoft studios and their server issues connecting 343 on that. As it stands they delivered 4 halo games without out really a single flaw in the actual game play both online and campaign wise, it's just connection issues. Rockstar suffered similar issues as well with Gta5 when it came out. But hey the fact that 343 is giving us an HD version odst for free if you played during the time of bad servers is pretty cool so that's like 5 games we get. They know how to make up for something. I can't say the same for destiny and bungie right now
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Microsoft and 343 are the same thing. And the problem is with the game, not the servers. I know this because I've played many games online without problems.
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343 industries isn't the same thing as Microsoft studios but they are partners. 343 is comprised of some people from bungie and is like a sister company to bungie. In destiny Activision runs the servers and for halo Microsoft studios is in charge of the servers. Any time there is a problem connecting to the servers it is the servers fault because the servers aren't too compatible with the game, the only thing is you can't change the server you have to update the game. Because the servers have not functioned properly the game can be updated to make that more compatible with the server. And even if it were the games complete fault somehow, it would probably be the complications of what is essentially backwards compatibility.
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"343 industries isn't the same thing as Microsoft studios but they are partners. 343 is comprised of some people from bungie and is like a sister company to bungie." Ok, I'm afraid you are no longer qualified to converse with me because you are completely clueless. Halo is owned by Microsoft, and Microsoft formed 343 studios to continue making Halo after Bungie, who was also owned by Microsoft, bought back their independence. It's true that a handful of Bungie employees went to work for Microsoft to continue working on Halo. They quit Bungie and now work for MS. 343 isn't affiliated with Bungie, they are a company formed and owned entirely by Microsoft. You are very clueless.
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So how are they not a sister company of bungie if: 1. They have older employees from bungie and 2. They were practically both Givin life to by Microsoft Bungie and halo got where they were because of Microsoft so it only makes sense that Microsoft would want to keep the product that only made it into stores because of them alive, especially because it makes money. So in a sense it would not be incorrect to call 343 a sister company to bungie.
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[quote]So how are they not a sister company of bungie if: 1. They have older employees from bungie and 2. They were practically both Givin life to by Microsoft [/quote] 1. Having ex Bungie employees does not mean Bungie and 343 are sister companies. Harold Ryan (head of Bungie) used to work for Microsoft and Frank O'Connor (from 343) used to work for Bungie. But that's completely beside the point. People leave one company and work for another all the time. 2. Here's a history lesson. Bungie were around a LONG time before Microsoft. Microsoft bought Bungie to get them out of financial trouble after a game they made had big problems. When they bought Bungie, they also gained 100% ownership of the Halo brand which Bungie was developing for the MAC. Eventually, Bungie were able to buy themselves back off Microsoft (after Halo 3 was released) and gain their independence once again. But they didn't get the Halo brand back because that still belonged to Microsoft. SO Without Bungie as an internal studio, Microsoft established (re: paid for and ran) 343 to continue making Halo games while Bungie rode off into the sunset to make their own brand (Destiny). At that point, Bungie and Microsoft were completely separate. Obviously, some people still wanted to work on Halo so they left Bungie to work for Microsoft. Bungie and Microsoft are not affiliated in any way. Bungie runs itself and doesn't answer to Microsoft. They pay their own bills. 343 on the other hand is run entirely by Microsoft, the employees are paid by Microsoft. 343 is an internal studio that belongs to Microsoft. Make sense?
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I know all that and I know they existed before Microsoft bought them, however they had no large marketing games, in fact I believe they were a company that made computer games on the early Macs along with maybe some other products. Regardless of their past really the only thing that matters is that bungie wasn't much and probably wouldn't have been anything if Microsoft didn't buy them. So yeah I guess I wouldn't exactly call them sister companies but they are related to the extent that both companies got their start from Microsoft. And yeah bungie was around but their real start was with Microsoft just like 343 with was forged buy Microsoft while still retaining some bungie company employees. So I guess you could say they are like half sister companies or something along those lines but yeah not actually sister companies. Also bungie should have stayed under Microsoft because obviously they don't know how to make an actual game without them cuz destiny is in every word a hollow fame with little to no content, and it apparently took years. I still play every now and then regardless though lol.
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So, after all of that nonsense, do you now understand that Bungie are not affiliated with Microsoft or 343? And do you understand that 343 is a company established and run by Microsoft?
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Lol I've known that from the start, in fact I was kinda basing my argument off of that. The way both companies are related to each other is because they both have been under the control of Microsoft the only thing is that bungie wasn't created from Microsoft. It would be like if I adopted a girl and then I had a girl of my own. They would technically be sisters but not full sisters.
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Witness the anatomy of hypocrisy. Me: [quote]Microsoft and 343 are the same thing.[/quote] You: [quote]343 industries isn't the same thing as Microsoft studios but they are partners. 343 is comprised of some people from bungie and is like a sister company to bungie.[/quote] Me (after examining why everything you said about 343 being just a 'partner' of MS was incorrect) [quote]So, after all of that nonsense, do you now understand that Bungie are not affiliated with Microsoft or 343? And do you understand that 343 is a company established and run by Microsoft?[/quote] You: [quote]Lol I've known that from the start[/quote]
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Edited by NovaXIIV: 1/5/2015 4:58:51 AMJust because 343 was created by Microsoft doesn't mean they aren't also partners. Also just cuz they are directly made from Microsoft doesn't mean they are the same Jeez you are are looking for any little thing to be right about while trying to knock me down So I'm sorry I didn't phrase everything how I intended at the start.
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Edited by Shadow Artiste: 1/5/2015 5:10:15 AM[quote]Just because 343 was created by Microsoft doesn't mean they aren't also partners.[/quote] No, it's just an incredibly inaccurate description of their relationship. But the part where you said that 343 AREN'T Microsoft defeats your excuse. Y'know, you can just admit you were wrong, haha. The bottom line is that 343 messed up Halo 4, caused almost every Aussie I know to quit Halo because of the removal of local search games, the episodic mode was the more repetitive than Destiny ever was and laggy to the point of being unplayable. Then they try to release a bunch of games that Bungie had already made and got working a long time and they don't work either. After months of patches and apologies and promises of free stuff and it's still not fixed, AND THEY OWN THE SERVERS!!! Like I said. Bumbling. And you can't blame the servers cause many other games run on the Microsoft Azure servers just fine. You can knock Destiny all you want, I'll agree the game is a repetitive, story-barren, grind fest. But at least Destiny works.
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In my defense you said that 343 was the same as Microsoft, which is not true. While Yeah they are created from Microsoft that doesn't mean 343 is Microsoft or is the same as Microsoft, rather they are a branch off of Microsoft and are more than just partners. So while maybe I didn't choose the best words and can be taken as wrong, you did not choose the best words as well and can be taken as wrong. I agree that halo 4 was not at all as good as the others and it lacked a lot of things that an actual halo game should have such as map control which was almost none existent in 4, great well structured competitive maps which it lacked and loudouts were just a stupid idea. The campaign I liked cuz I know they tried to relate it to the comics and books with all the forerunner stuff. Yeah the issues with only the online was bad but now it's much better and easily playable. people are also playing the Beta for 5 which has great competitive play and map structure/control with a good blend of game mechanics available to everyone to re invent it the series while maintaining its original strategy. The issue I have with destiny and Bungie right now is that they can almost be seen as con artists because they promised a game that they did not deliver. With most of the footage they showed being non existent in the game. On top of that, the game mechanics are down right horrible/repetitive but still keep us playing. And the dlc expansions punish players the were grinding for months, they make it better for a person who bought it at Christmas cuz then they can reach 31 with ease. They don't even have to beat atheon on hard. The back of the game even says experience a rich cinematic story. This series has so much potential and I will back it up because it's bungie regardless of what they didn't deliver. If destiny 2 isn't better I don't know then. So I'm in more of 343 mood now than a bungie one.
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In terms of quality, it's a subjective matter so neither of us can be right. I said 343 were bumbling, I stand by it. You can disagree all you want, that's your opinion. And 343 and Microsoft are the same company. 343 employees are Microsoft employees. All the departments have names, some people work on Windows, others work on Surface, and I bet their branches have different names too, does that make them all separate companies? Nope. 343 is the name given to their department that works on Halo. They aren't a separate company. 343 IS just Microsoft, mate. That is undeniably factual.
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Yeah we have our opinions in terms of how we feel about the companies, I do not deny that 343 has bumbled majorly but now so has bungie, the only difference is I haven't heard or seen an apology from bungie Also Saying they are the same is very general. To me That's like saying because I have all of my father's DNA and blood in me that makes me my dad, which isn't true, however I am a direct product of him We both lacked by saying something very general and easily misinterpreted you said they are the same and I said they are partners, both are right in a general since and both are also wrong on a technical level. Oddly enough I've actually liked arguing with you lol I know that's a weird thing to say and you probably don't feel the same ha.
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As far as both companies go, I have little faith in either. 343 I think are just green and a slave to Microsoft's agenda. Halo, under Bungie, was an innovator, it put Xbox on the map (and Xbox put Bungie on the map). Halo set the precedent for shooters with shields, 1 button melee and grenade. And then it set the standard for console online play. Then forge and theatre just keep the innovation going. So many elements of the modern shooter come from Halo. They spawned Red Vs Blue which popularised machining too. Word on the street was that back in the day, Bungie were the divas of Microsoft Game Studios, they were left alone to keep laying golden eggs because they were a hit machine. I doubt we'll see innovation with 343's Halo. I think 343's Halo will become a design by committee affair that brings together the most profitable aspects and trends of the best selling shooters (COD, Destiny, titanfall etc) from the last few years and attempt to ride on that success. I think their design philosophy will be more about safety than risk. Their games will be collages of their competitors. Basically they will be imitators, not innovators. Now, on to Bungie. They're not the same Bungie that they used to be. There used to be a HUGE community focus, on the forums, cool stuff like the Bungie triathlon, Bungie Day. Bungie used to be a company that sent actual steaks to gamers who beat them at Halo, a company that released free maps on Bungie Day. They had such a odd streak and a love for their community. The new Bungie gave us a trailer for Bungie Day... The new Bungie fired my favourite composer of all time (I mean really, Marty MADE Halo! He gave Halo it's DNA, if he's disputing his pay, then PAY HIM MORE). Most of the grizzled ancients that made Bungie what it was, dudes like Staten, are gone. I don't think Bungie owes any apologies for Destiny, it wasn't broken. It's flawed as hell, but it works and you can choose to like it or not. I commend Bungie for trying to do something new, but I'm really worried about the more corporate and sterile culture that seems to surround the company now. As far as 343 goes, they've made me hang up my Halo fandom, I'm just over the series now. After H4, Spartan Assault, Sarah Palmer, I have no excitement left for it. Sounds depressing, sorry. But I honestly feel like a dude who's favourite watering hole was closed down.
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Yeah I feel you on pretty much all of that, I know destiny can be something truly amazing and I don't like the bad name 343 branded halo with due to halo 4 and yeah bungie has really changed a lot. Halo was the shit, and it definitely won't bring experiences like before, that is certain. And yeah the music isn't as good now either which is sad cuz I loved halo music. One thing I will give destiny is the experiences I have had with people/friends. I can honestly say I've had some of the best moments on this game that I haven't had since old halo. And that's why I still play and have hope for it, cuz it's a great experience with the community.
