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Edited by GouldBerg988:
1/9/2015 9:22:02 AM
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Do Crota-Kneelists deserve to get banned?
So [url=http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/85926505/0/0]this [/url]Thread clearly explains why the Networkglitch is in a whole other class than all the glitches/cheesing that did go on in the vault:
http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/85926505/0/0
FYI: [b]At least three persons already got banned[/b]
Edit:Bungie updates stats on Crotacompletes
https://twitter.com/bungie/status/546107092885446656
Inb4 Banhammer
EDIT: [b]For all the Naysayers that say Bungie/sony couldn`t possibly distinguish between a random and a deliberate DC.[/b]
1.Lets just assume that there is a time-window of 5 seconds around the point where Crota kneels down to dc on purpose and use the glitch.
2.Let`s further assume that on average the ServiceProviers are reachable for 90% of the time (It`s actually more like 98%, but we will be very generous)
3.Since Crota has been “beaten” more than 160.000 times and a Raidteam consists of 6 people we will say: There are at least 1 Million chances to draw a disconnect during 2 hours (an average Raid takes this time). If we take the 10% from above we can say: 100,000 disconnects happened during all successful Crotaraids up to this point.
So what is the probability that A DC happens randomly at the exact same time Crota goes down?
Calculation:
2*3600/5 = 1440:= potential 5 second-time units of one single player during a successful raid
1,440,000,000= for all players
Ergo
The probability that a DC happens randomly at the moment where crota goes down for any Player is
100,000/1,440,000,000 = 6,94e -5
And for the special case that this DC concerns the Host:
1,16e -5
For comparison:
The Probability of getting a Royal Flush in Poker: 2,57 e-5
Another Hopebubble busted by Math, sorry for that
EDIT 2: I will also link to a prominent youtuber (Datto) that has the same opinion as the vocal group of "[b]It`s a cheat not a chesse[/b]" on this forum. Since he works closely with bungie you can be sure that in one way or the other Glitchers will soon befall a special "Destiny":
[b]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O30249lCy1c&t=4m47s[/b]
EDIT 3: This is how a big banwave looked in Halo:Reach (2010) courtesy of Bungie
[quote]Good evening,
We are in the process of applying credit resets to approximately 15,000 users who we have identified as the most egregious Challenge Reset abusers.
A one day credit earning ban has also been applied, mostly to ensure that recipients receive an in-game notification of the action taken.
As with any such measure, we have taken the time to carefully select our criteria to eliminate false positives.
A more comprehensive pass will be occurring in the coming week as our automated Banhammer mechanisms grow accurate enough to satisfy our high bar for burden of proof. If you are thinking about getting an easy 50k credits by using this exploit, I would strongly advise you to reconsider.
Thank you, and please direct any discussion of these resets to this thread.
Edit 1: a point of clarification. No bans were handed out tonight for
a) Playing too much Gruntpocalypse (no such thing!)
b) Using the target locator too much (no such thing!)
Specifically, we targeted an exploit that allowed players to complete a Challenge 20+ times via intentional network manipulation (i.e., disconnects.)
Spot checks have revealed the telltale signature of this behavior on every denier so far, so don't be fooled by the protests of innocence. We aren't.
Edit 2:
1) If you have lost your Legendary Helmet or any other downloadable offers, you can re-download them via your Download History. We're not sure this is affecting anyone (we haven't reproduced it internally), but just in case it is, give this a try.
2) We won't be resetting Commendations, as we do not feel that the exploit used affected them. It would not be fair to people who did use the exploit but who wish to retain the record of their playstyle, and we cannot differentiate between the two systematically. Sorry.
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Cheaters, be wary of the Credit Reset! [/quote]
[url=http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/15026193/0/0/1]Source[/url]
[b]EDIT 4: Cheaters have officially gotten a Carte Blanche from a Studio that is a shadow of its former self
Bungie does not kick ass any more. I was a fool and the cheaters have taken over.
I will now make a thread to suggest to ban anyone in the future that tries to make a thread about banning someone.
Bungie clearly voted for the quick buck.
I hope they will live happily ever after with you and your kind.
Signing out ;-)[/b]
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if it was that high up on their 'we're gonna ban people for this' list, they would have fixed it already. no sane company would risk alienating their DLC-buying userbase like that because they want to continue milking us for our cash down the line. that's business.
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if people should be banned for cheesing then 90% of people with warlocks would be banned. Remember vault of glass?
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the better question is should bungie be banned from making rpgs ?
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1 ReplyHas anybody tried disconnecting when atheon is in his own stance raising his gun up to see if he freezes like that as well?
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People should not do the crota glitch, an inexperience group doing the crota glitch takes the same amount of time as an inexperienced group doing it legit. It's a waste of time. People should also not be banned for it. Bungie has not stated that doing the cheese is against the rules. Bungie should patch it [b]soon as possible[/b] and not wait until hard mode. I came accross a group doing the glitch where 3 of them had never done the raid before. I felt that those people honestly do not deserve the crota weapons/armor/emblem after so many worked hard to get them.
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What's a nihilist, Walter?
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Nobody will get banned,Sony don't care they have bigger things to worry about and if bungie banned everybody that did it there would be hardly anyone left. Stop worrying about how other people play a video game, it means nothing, chuck Norris is not gona congratulate you personally because you didn't cheese. Nobody cares
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The exploit disrupts network traffic to gain an unfair advantage in the game, which is expressly against the T&C everyone "signed" when they purchased and booted up the game. So Bungie would be well within their rights to ban people that do this. Whether they WILL or not, on a wide scale, remains to be seen. And the opinions of Youtubers likely won't factor into their decision-making process.
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Lol the best think about u ppl cheesing Crota u won't be able to do it when hard mode comes out then u will be crying like a little girl when u can't beat him lol then we will see all the noob asking for help to beat Crota lol
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You cheesed him. I saw you
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lol if they ban for this they will be banning like 75% of its users. do you seriously think it would be a good business move to ban 75% of your users?
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Banned is a little harsh, just patch it so they get kicked back to the deathsinger.
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With the 1,000,000 other bugs in the game they should focus on banning people instead of fixing any bugs at all. [spoiler]sarcasm, op is just butt hurt he can't find a legit CE party and doesn't realize the entire reason the hard raid isn't out yet is cheesing[/spoiler]
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Since you like to use random % let's say 60% of everyone who beat ce "cheated him" do you really think bungie will ban that many people with dlc still to be released. The only people the chesse is hurting are the ones crying real 32 vs fake 32. Its a game you people take it way to seriously.
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LMFAO I JUST CHEESED HIS ASS TWICE LAST NIGHY WOOOOOOOOOO IT WAS SO EASY.
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No bans, just fix the glitches in upcoming patches and the cheesers will be behind everyone else once they have to do it legit. And legit on hard when that comes out.
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The amount of times that I have been " dumped " from a strike and so close to finishing is not funny anymore.....I am owed so many lost rewards....but I guess I'm never going to get them.....
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Edited by PepsiK0Ia: 12/29/2014 6:38:33 PMI answered no, not that, i did it, but because i dont want to lose half of the community from it lewl, i never cheesed crota it was alot faster killing him legit, only takes 5 minutes, with orge spawn, but this is exploitation and must be addressed quickly, basically getting loot with minimal effort, which is the game didnt intended it to be. EDIT: I dont think bungie is to blame for this. I mean, they didn't know this exist, yes they make mistake because it wasnt polish before releasing but they never said to use their 'mistake' as an advantage. which is = exploit.
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2 RepliesNo because there shouldn't be a ban hammer going down on people who found bad coding in the game itself and are exploiting it. That is not the players fault it is the developers.
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I didn't read any of that sorry. I'm sure it was a good read. I'll never care how other people I don't know choose to play a game. Effects me 0%
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I don't think they can ban people mate. I got it once but I just joined a team that was doing it. If I do get banned whatever it will be a bitch but shit happens. There will have been too many people that have done it so if they are going to they may impose a temp ban for each time you have been in a team that does it ie. If you have been in 3 then 3 days of ban but actually say it's because of the crota cheat 7 times is a week and so on.
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Destiny terms don't ban for disconnecting nor Xbox. Thank Sony for those band.
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that's nice. I don't even care about beating crota after the first 2 times. it's not worth it. forest run. yay rewards. bridge. yay rewards. witches/shriekers. meh, skip this, you get nothing. alot of people do this anyways. looking for checkpoints of crota to move on easily. crota. yay rewards, but wait, two hard fights for one thing? meh, I'll just stop after the bridge, see you next week.
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Edited by GongShowDad: 12/29/2014 6:24:28 PMIt's bungies fault. It's not like people are modding their systems in order to cheese crota, it's bungie that doesn't know how to work out the bugs correctly and rushes to get out content. I'm not saying I agree with cheesing crota, but you can't punish people for simply exploiting bungies faults. Same with people who get out of the map. ITS IN THE GAME! We should be able to play it however we want to. That's what happens when the DLC content is already on the disc. If you don't like people leaving the maps, or cheesing bosses, then fix it.
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I still haven't been banned yet.... *looks at watch* ....my Hunger of Crota is a fun weapon though.
