[quote]You can play the entire DFO game and never spend a dime. [/quote] Yes you can, but you're missing the point completely of what F2P is all about. Just because people can play it free, doesn't mean that they are purely providing the game freely (out of the kindness of their hearts). They are absolutely banking on people to buy stuff in their game. They do this by building loyalty, as I explained. If EVERYONE played the game completely free, there would be NO F2P games. They just have a different business model than standard games. [quote]People that play for free are not leeches.[/quote] They provide a community, but they alone do not support the game. In order to keep playing 100% freely, others have to buy stuff. So when you're taking advantage of other people's support, while not supplying any support of your own, what do you call that? I consider that leeching off of other people's financial support of the game. You could be more politically correct about it if you wish, but that's the basics of it. Free players are NOT the primary focus of F2P games. F2P games will initially focus on building the community first, then everything else is to entice sales. Like I said, they focus on a different business model, but it's still entirely business. If you somehow believe that F2P companies have some huge focus to provide things for free, you're naive. That's just the impression, but in the end, they are no different than Bungie/Activision where they need to pay their developers, and produce a profit. If there is no profit, there is no F2P game. You heard of the F2P Facebook game, "Restaurant City"? Yeah, they shut that game down because they lost retention and didn't turn as much of a profit as they use to. So the point is, regardless of what impression you get from an F2P game, their goal is to make a profit. They just do it differently than the standard Pay2Play games. They have a larger incentive to provide content first, build the community, then profit from that community with whatever sale model they come up with. Some companies may show that they care about their community better than others, but in the end, it's all about profit. [quote]Destiny is milking you, not game that gives you everything for free. That is not subjective.[/quote] Did you intentionally change my wording around to suit your argument? This is what I said: [b]"What you find has more value is completely subjective. "[/b] You personally find more value in playing DFO, and less so in Destiny. I personally find no value in playing DFO, because I'm not interested, but having spent numerous hours in Destiny, I find the price acceptable. That is what subjective means. Another difference is that standard games, like Destiny, you pay just once for the target content. That's it, no more sales of anything until next expansion. F2P games continually offer things you can buy, either to help with game progression and/or aesthetic purposes. There is NO LIMIT to what you can buy. You could spend thousands of dollars in the game, and they won't stop you. That's also considered milking you, because they're enticing you to buy as much and as often as you can. Just because you did it voluntarily and because you felt value for it, doesn't mean they didn't milk your wallet. I get that you're a fan of DFO and you want to defend them and all, but outside of your biased opinion, they are all companies that need to make a profit. So DFO's incentive to make that profit is to provide good content and milk players with in game purchases. That's it. They managed to entice you to spend hundreds of dollars, so they did their job well. Edit: for the record, I have no problems with F2P games and I too have spent lots of cash on those that retained my interest. Regardless, I still understand that F2P games are for profit. I'm also not saying Destiny is the best bang for the buck for everyone. Again, it's subjective.