Ok, I had to read this a few times before I could figure out what you were talking about enough to reply. Your math sucks, but at least you did admit that you use pvp(child) math. As for me, I loved the strikes, although 5 leaves a bit to be hope for as far as variety goes. As for the raid, with only 38 completions and full raid sets for 3 classes as well as all but 2 raid weapons, I started to loose interest after seeing that no matter what fixing the raid wasn't going to happen. As for liking pvp is like to do this without insulting anyone. There are 4 types of players in a game like this. 1. Pvp preferred 2. Pve preferred 3. Happily mixed 4. And those that can't stand a game going to the toilet. If you like pvp great, but why so much complaining about how screwed up everything in there is? If you like pve, and I do, there is a lot to have fun with if you make it that way. If you like the mix, you should be happy. If you're in the latter, well I'm on my way to join you unless something good comes out Tuesday. I will give destiny the chance to pull it around, but I don't like the way it's looking like it's headed, and it may be time for me to leave. The great thing about games is that there are always others out there. Play your way and have fun. I believe that's why we are all here to begin with. I just may have to go elsewhere to do it.