You lost me with this reply. Contradicting yourself so quickly? Try spreading the contradicting statements further apart so it isn't so obvious. I love how people like you keep redefining what PvE is. Please enlighten all of us what PvE is. What do you call patrols, story, strikes, beacon requests and PE? Who cares if I haven't attempted a raid yet. Maybe I want the exact armor and weapons first, upgraded fully and THEN the raid. Maybe you live in China or North Korea (maybe not, no Destiny there) where you all do what your told the same exact way. I don't and I also don't care if you do. That is my point, do it the way you like not the way someone else likes. Stop telling everyone how to play the game.