Oh, I don't need crucible marks. I'm not even that bothered by the changes they made (the person with those issues is the guy you responded to in your first statement). I already have crucible to rank 3, which was all that mattered to me. I was just replying to your simplistic response about farming being boring. Such a term is subjective. For some people PVP is just as, or more, boring. I always multi-task when farming an area. I'm working on bounties, and farm in areas where public events drop often, so I can have a variety of things to do and earn vanguard marks/ascendant materials at the same time. Its fun, laid back, and I enjoy it. PVP is nothing but frustration and aggravation to me. Even when I have good games, they are less entertaining to me than when I'm having a rough time soloing nightfall or running HM raid. I think its awesome you enjoy PVP and that many others do to. I appreciate the effort that Bungie put into both PVE and PVP, so many types of people can enjoy it. I don't agree with all the rage issues of the OP, I just disagreed with your 'farming is boring' statement ;)