I think the anger towards this post comes from your argument being essentially "the hard raid isn't fun if I can't use an exploit to nullify one of its major battles." I've cheesed the templar; I've beat him (on hard and normal) "legit". There's no question that the templar fight on hard can be challenging. But it's not glitchy or unfair/random the way the atheon encounter can sometimes be. I think thats where you're losing people here. If there were actual issues with the battle that made it random or unfair, that's one thing. But I don't know what you expect, in terms of a response, when you come onto the forums and post something that basically says you don't feel the Raid is fun unless you can cheese your way through parts of it.