THIS is how my usual team do it probably the easiest way to do it now aside from camping up top with snipers but they will probably nerf that soon enough like everything else. we also used 3 hunters and 2 titans with 1 warlock since the update i have done a 4 man team on normal no cheesing and a full team on hard all 30s with a lvl29 (who has only done the normal raid 4x) and we did it in about 2.5hrs Im also currious if people are only having trouble because tehre trying to get an extra couple of shards....