Wow, you must not be able to see the forums the past couple of months. I guess they just nerfed those weapons for fun and didn't negatively effect PvE. They also really improved solo play. Destiny, a game that forces you to play one way and punishes anyone that dares to play their own way no matter how boring it may be. How many vendors do PvP have access to vs PvE? Maybe I haven't found those other vanguard vendors to spend my marks on. PvP whining on these forums dwarf the PvE whiners.