Yeah but in exchange you shot npc and possibly get gear at the same time you get vangard marks with public events while doing the bountys....including the fifty mats that turn into five crucible marks....but yeah let me jump right into forty mins worth of pvp which I -blam!-ING HATE FOR NINE -blam!-ING CRUCIBLE MARKS....sounds like less to me....and its in pvp yeah ill pass.......waste of time.....!!!!!