I hate PVP too, and there's a simple solution to your problem. Don't buy crucible gear. If you love PvE as much as I do, earn your vanguard marks to buy vanguard gear and then save your materials for upgrading that gear instead of trading 50 materials (3 upgrades worth) for under 5 crucible marks. Not worth it, and crucible gear is ugly anyways.

Actually, the new system is probably fairer to all players. Previously, a PvE player had access to all vendors yet never needed to set foot in the Crucible. PvP players, on the other hand, were forced to play PvE in order to get Ascendant and world materials to upgrade stuff, even if the gear dropped in the Crucible or came as a Crucible/Faction rank reward. They also had to play PvE in order to complete the Exotic bounties. Now, PvP players still need to play PvE if they want to max their gear (and to reach level 30, unless I'm mistaken) and PvE is still a far more reliable place to get Exotic gear (Nightfall). PvE players must play Crucible to get Crucible marks. I'm a PvE player, but in my heart I can't really see this as unfair. When you look at the structure of Destiny, it really looks like they wanted every player to participate in the whole game, not just PvE or PvP. The previous system had what might be called a "loophole" for PvE players that has now been closed.

They took it away because you don't deserve PVP rep.

I agree all the cry babies in pvp ruin our guns in pve and personally how can you really play pvp all the time and not even do the real reasons why this game is amazing.

I dont mind being able to BUY mats.....what annoys me is being unable to sell them as for "adding an economy"? the proper procedure is "puff puff PASS".....you forgot to pass WHAT ECONOMY???? an ECONOMY works both ways...buy AND sell all they did was give us the other 1/2 of an economy but took away the 1st part

Bungee should put a class item for gain crucible reputation.

i'm still doing the thorn bounty..... and crying every day...

I noticed a handful of these threads crying for Mats to Marks to be returned. I don't understand why anyone would play that way to get marks...I'm not good at math but here we go. Faction helm = 120 crucible mark... 50 mats = 5 crucible mark... 120/5 = 24 24x50 = 1200 material... You'd rather farm 1000 relic iron instead playing a few hours of crucible? This completely boggles my mind, I'm not a big fan of pvp, but god that sounds tedious and boring. More tedious and boring than doing the same strikes or getting powned in pvp. The Devs at Destiny aren't pushing people to play pvp or pve, their pushing people to play their game period. In a generation where everything needs to be right now and exactly how you want it I'm not surprised about children crying when you replace their nipple with a warm bottle.

Booo hoo. The needs of the many out weigh the wants of you. Remember there are millions of players. Bungie doesn't care that you suck online and avoid it. Suck it up and get better (yes. I said it) So the fact that you would farm mats for points is pathetic. Just play a match and get more points in half the time

When you lose in PvP you are pissing off and many people as making their day. Their are winners and losers in PvP and people on your opposing team are guaranteed an automatic victory. The marks exchange isn't going to be brought back because you would be able to exchance vanguard marks for crucible marks essentially. So it cuts out part of the game for some people, and allows reputation gains in crucible factions without playing crucible. This is further magnified by people that play crucible, as they can do the same but have double the gain on the matter. If you want PvP gear, play pvp. This is a no brainer and conversation shouldn't even occur on the matter, one whiner isn't going to destroy crucible for the other people. They will just think you are bad and move on, you intentionally feeding is just going to make it a bad experience for yourself.

I think they took it out to stop people from using the new marks for mats system as a rep loop. I'll try to explain: at a certain point, what do I need marks for? But I can always use rep. So I could've, in theory, shelled out a bunch of marks to buy mats, then turned those mats in for rep. You lose out in the end, of course, but players would still do it. Add that to the fact that they added mats as the rewards for the daily heroic and patrol bounties, and you would've had [b]a lot[/b] more people using mats to rep up. I'm sorry that you're missing out. I only did the mat exchange a couple of times, so it doesn't affect me that much. I hated losing time farming, so I'm happy with the change, but I can understand why yer bummed.

Look your in the minority of players who actually does this. I'm no PvP person myself but he'll I couldn't spend time farming materials just to get like 5 marks or something, I'd rather just a play a couple matches of control.

zzz

Simple solution to this problem would be if the Crucible and Vanguard items like Cloaks or Bonds transferred Rep and Marks the way Dead Orbit, FWC ect does as well. Problem solved. Why don't you like PvP if I may ask?

Sounds like you'll get a lot of exotics with your ruin pvp strategy! Good luck

Faction gear sucks anyway, you'll replace it all with raid and exotic gear.Just get Vanguard stuf instead

[quote]First we get a ton of mods to fix the PvP whining resulting in PvE nerfs, then 2 PvP events to 1 PvE but still more PvE nerfs. [/quote] 2 week event to 2 1 week events, Seems even. Mods were for game balancing in general. If you are complaining about auto rifles, which is really the only thing that has bleed over from the balances. Sucks, but there is no one weapon class to rule them all. If you are not talking about that, then what nerfs are you talking about? [quote] Now take away more access to vendor weapons and armor to those of us who HATE PvP with a passion. I was fine farming for material and purchase Crucible items even though it was daunting. Never complained since I could avoid PvP. [/quote] They most likely took it away because very few people used it. I know I never did. I farmed like crazy and only once used the exchange. [quote] What the heck was the logic behind removing material exchange for Crucible rep and marks? [/quote] Crucible rank and gear should be earned from the crucible, not bringing them materials. Make perfect sense and is logically sound. [quote] I never saw any posts or complaints about resource exchange. If anything, it kept PvP haters like me away from ruining PvP games even more than they are already. [/quote] I assume you missed the plethora of post about how boring crappy farming material, or how there needs to be a better in game economy. [quote] If this game was advertised as a PvP centric game with a scarce PvE element that would take a back seat to everything PvP I would have passed on it like I did with Titanfall and other PvP games.[/quote] The game heavy favors pve. With 2 weekly events that give guaranteed rewards. Max level attained is via the pve element. Really I don't see how you say the game is PvP based. [quote] Either bring back the material exchange for Crucible marks and rep, open all vendors to accept both currencies or I'll just play PvP to piss as many off as possible to obtain a K/D of 0.00. [/quote] I just lost a little respect for you with that threat. While I do think that having separate marks is rather foolish. I don't think you should be able to buy crucible gear without having played in the crucible. You don't get raid gear with out doing the raid. [quote] If your going to ruin PvE, I'll do my part to ruin PvP as best that I can. Maybe I'll even be stoked to play Iron Banner 3.0 and shoot for the #1 spot in the worst PvP of all time. [/quote] How you feel that they ruined the entire pve experience is beyond me. If anything the update improved it. Instead of guardians running around in circles now to get enough mats to raise their items they can now do dailies and bounties to get those mats. They can still run patrols but now instead of it being mats center it is patrol centered. I enjoy the update and feel it is a vast improvement. [quote] Just as you have people that hate PvE, from reading the posts for the past couple of months, you have more that hate PvP. [/quote] This is simply not true, the amount of people that dislike pve or PvP are most likely the same. Truthfully it is probably a very small minority in general that do no play both. [quote] Please tell us now that Destiny is 80% PvP and 20% PvE so we know where you stand. [/quote] This is no cod, bf or titanfall where pve is added to fulfill a bullet on the package. The split feels more like: 55% pve and 45℅pvp. [quote] All I know is after waiting and hoping Bungie would bring some love to PvE, all we got was a third and fourth kick in the balls.[/quote] Again I don't see how the update is PvP centered "love" it is across the board changes. [quote] After the expansion is released and there is still no resolution to this horrible PvE treatment, I'll waste my extra time playing even more like a complete noob in PvP just to piss as many people off as possible. [/quote] Vindictive and petty at best. Generally speaking there must always be chaff for the higher tier players to practice one. So why not you. [quote] I'll highly recommend that others who feel the same do too. [/quote] Petty, very petty. [quote] If this was just "another" unintended side effect from a patch I may feel bad for ranting. If not, enjoy the last $ you'll see from me or anyone else who feels the same way.[/quote] I am pretty sure it is intentional. They removed what was a rarely used feature and added a economy that was desperately missing. [quote] If there is some great addition in the expansion to nullify this rant I truly apologize in advance. [/quote] Perhaps you should have waited two weeks before flying of the hinges there. [quote] BTW, it might help to post a list of the 100 worst PvP Guardians in your app. I would like to try and make the top 10 of that list.[/quote] Again very petty and no one cares are ranking in PvP. You want those leaderboards go to cod or bf. As a general rebuttle to things not in the post but in the thread. You have nerve damage and thus exclude yourself from a majority of the aspects of the game, strikes, raids, pvp, etc. So you patrol. Okay I get that. But every faction with the exception of crucible is attainable via the pve element. Every rank you gain earns you a care package with weapons or armor. So you don't need those crucible marks. Sure you want a specific crucible weapon, well that suck. I want the vex mythoclast and know that hard mode is the only way to get it. So guess what, I do hard mode. The crucible gear should for crucible players, just as raid gear is for raiders. Instead of ranting and raving here, you should be playing and figureing out how your play style fits in the new update. Instead of being petty and vindictive you should thinking of how better to benefit from the update.