Screw you I'm not spending the next 6 hours farming fing spin metal so some guy can get a tiny amount of marks and rep for hours of work that he cud get from 2 crucible matches

I read this as....I want pvp gear but do not want to play pvp. You buy that gear from the crucible vendor. You can still earn vanguard marks and faction marks through pve. If you want PVP gear. PLAY PVP

All jokes aside tho, u have to recognize and understand the fact that u are the exception! Most players do not want to run around for hours farming for materials. And honestly i dont see how or why someone would wanna farm for that many hours just to avoid pvp. You should just suck it up and play pvp and if you put a legitimate effort you will find you can accumulate rep n marks so much faster, or maybe actually learn to enjoy pvp

If you want to use crucible marks to buy crucible gear, then man up and play crucible. It's that simple. If you don't, then you shouldn't get access to gear which is intended to demonstrate a level of experience in the crucible. Edit: +10 guardian tears found

Dude I hated running around for mats for hours, are you sane or trolling???

Nobody cares about your idiot opinion. Go cry in your pillow. As you bite it.

You definitely made the top 10 of the top 100 lamest posts. Burn dogs! :-)

CRUCIBLE MARKS Yes...... Crucible. You know, PvP? Are they called Farming marks? No. "[quote]After the expansion is released and there is still no resolution to this horrible PvE treatment, I'll waste my extra time playing even more like a complete noob in PvP just to piss as many people off as possible."[/quote] Maybe you should just find something better to do than play something you hate just to annoy other people?......... You can not be that much of a little bitch, surely?

PETITION BUNGIE TO SEPARATE PVP FROM PVE SO PVP CAN HAVE A PERFECT SNOWFLAKE ENVIRONMENT TO SUITE ALL THE WHINERS!!!!

Question! If you like pve so much, why not buy vanguard stuff?

Butthurt solo player is butthurt

id rather beable to cut down the amount of farming i have to do then farm for crucible marks. If u dont play crucible u dont deserve to get crucible marks. Some people dont like the pve part of the game. Yet they still have to farm materials to level up there weapons. If u want crucible marks play the crucible. Plain and simple. U get marks for a win and u get marks for losing. Why should u beable to get crucible marks to spend on vendors if u dont play crucible. They should make the vendors take both marks but until they do suck it up. Stop posting on the forums cause u are butthurt about positive changes u dont like. Plenty of people are happy about the change . Plenty are not . Sooner or later they will change it again . Until then get some klenex and wipe ur tears .

seriously grow the -blam!- up..... just cause there is pvp marks doesnot mean you have to get them. if there is some gear from the guy you want, then again grow the -blam!- up and earn it... And good for bungie for seeing where the lasting power of this game is. PVP is what will carry this game from dlc to dlc. cause little runts like you will come to play JUST pve, get bored and through hissies about how you cant handle shooting at a moving target that shoots back so you dont play it.... people like you are what make changes to games that ruin them...... please play pvp and suck ass, cause i am sure you sucking ass is a normal occurrence daily i just looked and you haven't done pvp at all, and you haven't even done the raid... your nether a pvp player or a pve player, your squatting peice of shit.... are you gonna come back an bitch you dont do raid cause no one can put up with you long enough to make it in the door

People seem to think that it's a choice between exchanging mats for marks and rep or marks for mats. There's literally no reason to not have both options available. Just because you're in favor of one thing doesn't mean you can't be in favor of another thing THAT DOESN'T EVEN INTERFERE WITH WHAT YOU'RE IN FAVOR OF. Mats for marks/rep allows players who don't have gold or + to play the game and acquire equipment. It's useful for people who have materials they aren't using for w/e reason and gives them a sink to dump them in. There is literally nothing detrimental about this exchange option and it opens up a different line of game play for a different type of player. It allows players to bypass something they either can't access or don't enjoy playing at an extremely high mark up. Marks for mats is useful because it allows players to use what may be dead currency for them (vanguard marks in most cases) to be used for something other than buying equipment to breakdown in to ascendant materials. It allows players to bypass a somewhat tedious task at an extremely high mark up. Mats for marks/rep exchange rate: 50 mats = 45 - 70 mins of game play ::: 5 marks & 25 rep = 20 - 30 mins of game play * Marks for mats exchange rate: 10 marks = 40 - 80 mins of game play ::: 20 mats = 10 - 30 mins of game play * *Time required is estimated from personal experience With both forms of exchange in place players would be able to convert crucible marks in to vanguard marks and vice versa at an extremely high mark up. 30 marks = 5 marks when only using marks to acquire mats for a mats to marks/rep exchange. ---- Statements I've been hearing and my retorts ----- "You want pvp gear w/o playing pvp?" - There is no such thing as "pvp gear" there is literally just "gear" and "gear that has useful pve passives". All gear outside of the raid set does the same stuff, nothing about the gear you can buy with crucible marks makes it more favored in pvp than the gear you can buy with vanguard marks. "If you want marks and rep just play a strike or crucible match." - If you want materials go farm materials during patrols. You want to spend excess marks for mats and I'd like to spend excess mats for marks. (I'd like to do both actually since I don't really have a use for my vanguard marks and sometimes I just don't feel like running patrols) "I want to actually play the game not grind out farming materials" - Running around shooting stuff is playing the game, if you're running around shooting stuff then you're playing the game. Shoot stuff while you look for material nodes and chests, do patrol missions while looking for materials and.... OMG... You're "actually playing the game". ------ I don't get why people seem to feel the need to shit on what other people consider fun. "You don't like what I like so what you like is lame and shouldn't exist!" More options is good for everyone there's no reason to not have as many options available to the player(s) regardless if you don't agree that certain options are as useful as others. Also there seems to be this huge assumption that every player upset about the removal of mats for marks/rep exchange are pure pve players who just don't want to play pvp and that's dumb. I think it's removal is dumb and my time is split almost equally between pvp and pve.

Why would you want PvP gear if you don't PvP? I mostly PVE and my vault is near full of purples and yellows as is.

Oddly enough, the reasoning as to why this was removed is even more idiotic then many of you realize. They didn't want people to farm rep by just buying and selling mats repeatedly, but honestly not getting rep would have been preferable to not being able to get marks. Also I'm sure a better solution could have been reached by a talented developer. "It doesn't work, let's just take that feature out." is never a good way for a game developer to think.

I finally understand why they did it. It's the Tricorn again. Pvp players contstantly whine about balance and nerfs. Raiders constantly whine about nerfs, exploits and RNG. They needed to get us solo players whining too. They weren't content with us happily whizzing about on our sparrows, picking flowers and mining. Slowly but surely grinding our way to 29. Now they have it. They've officially upset every type of player. ;D

I'm not even that bad at pvp, I just don't enjoy it. Now I can't patrol for a good reason. Just strikes n raids from now on I guess...

If you don't play Crucible you shouldn't be able to earn Crucible Marks.

I agree that vanguard marks should be accepted everywhere. Also make upgrade mats like hadronic essence tradable for something. I have over 1000 of them that as of now are completely useless.

So you prefer running in circles for hours to gather mats along with a dozen more people around you doing the same thing, than learn the other half of the game (pvp) and buy the mats like a boss. I see..

You are missing one simple thing here. All the best guns and armor comes from PvE via the raid, nightfall, or heroic (as in strange coins to use with xur). Everything the vendors sell is crap compared to raid and exotic weapons and armor. You really want to run around in circles for hours for a few marks? It would take like all day just to get enough marks for leg armor, much less a helmet or a gun. I don't get it, I've hardly ever used the mat exchange, that is probably why they removed it, because most people never used it. I used all my materials leveling up raid guns. And that was too much farming for me. I would much rather buy my materials. Never had any left over to trade for marks. Not to mention I never had any need for much of anything from the vendors. Usually just bought stuff to break down into shards to level raid and exotic armor.