You barely need to touch PvE if you don't want to... you can get weapons and gear from multiple factions + iron banner vendor. You can get level 30 gear from iron banner. You can level up your character and all your items via crucible. The only thing you'd be missing out, if you only played PvP would be the 2 sets of gear that vanguard vendors sell. But if someone only plays PvE, they're now missing out on all Future War Cult gear, all Dead Orbit gear, all New Monarch gear, all Iron Banner gear and all Crucible vendor gear. PvE players have two sets of gear.. And I purchased the game because I love co-op and PvE gaming, yet they haven't added a single new thing to be purchased PvE side :D We previously did have the insanely "useless" (like you said) material exchange as an option, that really wasn't an option at all (To gather all crucible marks like that would've been a mind melting, frustrating and insanely boring grind of picking up materials) and now as they updated it, it was to the exact wrong direction, removing the option completely. It's simply a bit effed up that a person this bad as I am, is forced to go PvP side, where I can actually -blam!- it up for an entire team of other players, don't you think :D I'm actually thinking of you PvP players and doing you a favor of trying to stay away from it ;) ...Just.. try for a second think how insanely limited our options are, if we only play PvE, if you actually wish to understand what people in this topic are talking about.

Go make a new account and get level 30 and all the guns without ever setting foot in any pve activity period. Gl

Heh, have you actually tried it and failed? But yeah, I don't prefer PvP.. If I did, I'd probably accept that challenge. Can't see why it couldn't happen, given a crap-ton of time and effort. Especially now that you can even purchase the planetside materials with marks, without having to step into patrol once. But yeah, I haven't got to level 30, even while playing mostly PvE and some PvP so .. who am I to say what can and can't be done :D I just don't know what is it that's lacking from PvP - I just know how I'd wish for much more options on the PvE side of things.

Then dont say pvp players dont need to pve. U just contradicted urself. Gf

I didn't though. I said PvP players [b]barely need to[/b] touch PvE. At least in contrast to how much I'd need to PvP to go and get the vast majority of the purchaseable gear existing in the game. But that's exactly why I said "who am I to say what can and can't be done", because I'm no expert in the PvP side of things. You could give me an example of what bit of progress can't be done on PvP only though. Aand I don't know what Gf stands for in this context.. I doubt it's neither "girlfriend" or "Good fight" :D

It was good fight.

PVE only players feel very bad if they forcing to play PVP. Its a big problem. Destiny announced with a great story and coop ability. Thats why i buyed. If they told me earlier this game was focusing on pvp i wouldn't buyed it. Bungie/Activision lied to us.

Eh again thats a bungle on bungies part otherwise you can jump into pvp as soon as you can (lvl 2 or 3) and be against other people your lvl range insted of vs 20+ lvl people (which atm its harder but u can still compete with) raid gear isnt req for pvp tho and yeah the weps are badass however again bungies bungle for not adding trials of osiris (pvps equivalent to the raid) If u mean ascendant mats to upgraded u can still pvp only and just break down gear from marks for it Slow but no pve required However pve heavy people now still have todo pvp for marks where as now you no longer have to pve for materials..... Do ya see the issue?

Wow...... i give up...... gl dude