Point being for people who hate pvp (not me I love it but only with friends) it removed a viable (even moreso now) way for them to get weps/armor from factions (I say armor since raid armor isnt as effective in pvp vs properly selcted perk and stat wise faction crucible or vangaurd armor given the normalization or def and att in pvp having proper cooldowns and reloads/melee or grenade perks helps alot )

True but still. Its pvp armor so it makes sense pvp should be played inorder to buy and or use.

Please show me ONE piece of gear that is "PVP" in the sense that it has stats that are for pvp only. You cant. There are NONE. There are no pvp stats, no difference between the armor stats from Shaxx or from your Vanguard. It was one of the games selling points. Can pvp then go do some pve in the same gear and vice versa. No need to worry about different sets of gear. The ONLY difference in gear is how you play your toon. Like hitting things in the face and throwing grenades? Go for it, build your spec and gear it with Str/Disc. Hate getting close to mobs? No worries, spec away from your melee and get gear with Int/Disc on it. The fact that Vanguard only has 2 of the 3 stat combos, with titans copping no Int/Disc gear, makes it a tad baffling as to why they then took away the option to get the third stat combo the way some people enjoyed. So, a titan that likes to throw grenades and super? Sure can, go for it, be the titan you want to be...except you have to pvp or get massively lucky with RNG. If there was any kind of real difference between pvp and pve gear id be all for removing the ability for one set of marks to exchange into the other. But there isn't, there really is NO pvp gear, NO pve gear, its all just gear.

Not all is pvp asides crucible

If a majority of the game requires use to pve inorder to pvp, there should be no problrm with pve players needing to play pvp as well.

You barely need to touch PvE if you don't want to... you can get weapons and gear from multiple factions + iron banner vendor. You can get level 30 gear from iron banner. You can level up your character and all your items via crucible. The only thing you'd be missing out, if you only played PvP would be the 2 sets of gear that vanguard vendors sell. But if someone only plays PvE, they're now missing out on all Future War Cult gear, all Dead Orbit gear, all New Monarch gear, all Iron Banner gear and all Crucible vendor gear. PvE players have two sets of gear.. And I purchased the game because I love co-op and PvE gaming, yet they haven't added a single new thing to be purchased PvE side :D We previously did have the insanely "useless" (like you said) material exchange as an option, that really wasn't an option at all (To gather all crucible marks like that would've been a mind melting, frustrating and insanely boring grind of picking up materials) and now as they updated it, it was to the exact wrong direction, removing the option completely. It's simply a bit effed up that a person this bad as I am, is forced to go PvP side, where I can actually -blam!- it up for an entire team of other players, don't you think :D I'm actually thinking of you PvP players and doing you a favor of trying to stay away from it ;) ...Just.. try for a second think how insanely limited our options are, if we only play PvE, if you actually wish to understand what people in this topic are talking about.

Go make a new account and get level 30 and all the guns without ever setting foot in any pve activity period. Gl

Heh, have you actually tried it and failed? But yeah, I don't prefer PvP.. If I did, I'd probably accept that challenge. Can't see why it couldn't happen, given a crap-ton of time and effort. Especially now that you can even purchase the planetside materials with marks, without having to step into patrol once. But yeah, I haven't got to level 30, even while playing mostly PvE and some PvP so .. who am I to say what can and can't be done :D I just don't know what is it that's lacking from PvP - I just know how I'd wish for much more options on the PvE side of things.

Then dont say pvp players dont need to pve. U just contradicted urself. Gf

I didn't though. I said PvP players [b]barely need to[/b] touch PvE. At least in contrast to how much I'd need to PvP to go and get the vast majority of the purchaseable gear existing in the game. But that's exactly why I said "who am I to say what can and can't be done", because I'm no expert in the PvP side of things. You could give me an example of what bit of progress can't be done on PvP only though. Aand I don't know what Gf stands for in this context.. I doubt it's neither "girlfriend" or "Good fight" :D

It was good fight.

PVE only players feel very bad if they forcing to play PVP. Its a big problem. Destiny announced with a great story and coop ability. Thats why i buyed. If they told me earlier this game was focusing on pvp i wouldn't buyed it. Bungie/Activision lied to us.

Eh again thats a bungle on bungies part otherwise you can jump into pvp as soon as you can (lvl 2 or 3) and be against other people your lvl range insted of vs 20+ lvl people (which atm its harder but u can still compete with) raid gear isnt req for pvp tho and yeah the weps are badass however again bungies bungle for not adding trials of osiris (pvps equivalent to the raid) If u mean ascendant mats to upgraded u can still pvp only and just break down gear from marks for it Slow but no pve required However pve heavy people now still have todo pvp for marks where as now you no longer have to pve for materials..... Do ya see the issue?

Wow...... i give up...... gl dude