I discovered this by going to the Crucible Quartermaster and turning in a bunch of things only to have the system boot me and when I come back, my 200 crucible marks are gone and in their place, over 400 Spinmetal. So I'm upset but I assume that at least I'll be able to trade them back. I'll lose some marks in the trade but it won't be a total loss. Except no...no, I can't. The cursed thing only gives materials, doesn't take them. I go to all the other faction people... same story. I loathe PvP (and I tried every kind of match there is and the Iron Banner, so it's not like I'm dismissing it out of hand). I was trading in materials so that I could level up enough to buy weapons and armour which could be dismantled for parts, if need be. Now I can't even do that. It's ridiculous to FORCE an attitude of cooperation on game players. Coercive battling for little or no reward is like being forced to play team sports in high school. It sucked then, it sucks now. I should be allowed to focus on the aspects of this game I enjoy, but instead I am continuously pushed towards PvP. The 7 exotic weapon bounties I got... deleted them, because I'd never be able to get through the parts that require time in the Crucible. There is so much about this game I like, some that I love. But the constant subversive nagging to join Crucible matches is beginning to get to me. Because that's not choosing my destiny, that's submitting to someone else's agenda.