I've had normal raids that last 4-6 hours. I've also completed the hard raid in 40 mins. Your teammates really do matter in the raid, and ONE weak link can cause a lot of pain. If you're willing to dedicate 4 hours to raiding then take 10 minutes, get on [b]destiny forums[/b], or [b]reddit[/b], or [b]destinylfg.com[/b], or [b]destinylfg.net[/b] and find a raid group. If you lack the patience to find a raid group, then you lack the patience for the raid. I spent 3 hours helping some new raiders beat it on normal, even though I already had my completion this week and received no rewards.