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11/14/2014 8:57:47 AM
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I'd like to point out that it is moronic to argue with someone who has faith. Faith means you won't listen to reason or accept evidence. The difference between most atheists and most people of faith is that if you show me proof that something I believe is wrong then my beliefs will change with the facts. No amount of proof can change the beliefs of someone whose only answer is faith. Faith is the worst thing that has ever happened to human progress. Faith tells you not to ask questions or use your rational mind to observe the world around you and make your own conclusions. Faith is scientific ignorance that only panders to weak minds.
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I'm a Christian i come from a Christian family my dad is even a priest under the church of England However I am also studying to be am engineer I study scientific methods on a daily basis so am I ignorant for believing in god and not following scientific methodology No I'm not faith isn't about not listening and ignoring the facts Actually the opposite faith is about believing the impossible and faith is about opening your mind not just god but mainly to other people and cultures and religions and faiths Some of the best scientists were people of god Darwin was a man of god and he set out to prove evolution despite going against the church To say that god doesn't exist is just as arrogant and to say faith is just scientific ignorance is wrong God can't be proven yet he can't be disproven I don't take a literal view to bible I still think logically The big bang Evolution Fusion You could try and disprove god but actually there is no direct evidence disproving that there is no god
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Edited by PVBeachin: 11/19/2014 2:24:48 AMJust because god can't be proven or disproven, doesn't mean god is real, as god can't be proven, but god also can't be disproven, so you can't just assume he is real or not, and if you do, it is just you being biased in some way. It's called skepticism, ever heard of it? You don't just mindlessly accept something as true.
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Edited by KILLERBAYNESY: 11/19/2014 2:36:26 AMBut I don't mindlessly accept him as my god if god told me to follow him I would first question him and ask him why because that's what faith and religion teaches us to be our own people and to become better then what we are and we can become better people through gods teachings and through scientific discovery And you didn't read my post properly because faith isn't about truth otherwise it would be called fact Faith is about believing in the unknown its not mindless and your just being as arrogant and as closed minded by saying that all people who have faith are mindless Its not about proof which is what your trying to make this about Also are you not being biased against god just like you say I'm being biased in favour of god
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You could try and disprove god but actually there is no direct evidence disproving that there is no god[/quote] This is a confusing sentence to begin with but let me try. You can't prove the impossible. That is to say that you can't prove a thing does not exist. You can prove a thing does exist and all you have to do is find or demonstrate it. However in an infinite universe you can't prove that the thing you re looking for isn't there. So the burden of proof rest on you. You can only prove me wrong by showing me evidence. The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence
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Edited by KILLERBAYNESY: 11/19/2014 1:46:45 AMMy apologies I did word that sentence strange but my point still stands But also faith isnt about proof its not about proving if there is a god nor is about proving if there is no god If there was proof then that would make it fact But I still believe that there is a greater power at work but does that make me ignorant because I choose to believe in something that can't be proved
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Not all. I believe in a greater power at work in the universe as well. My problem isn't with people looking to religion for answers. Its with religious doctrines that tell its followers not to look for answers. Our minds are the greatest advantage that evolution has ever granted and we are meant to use them to their fullest capacity. Leaving questions unanswered is an offense against the nature of the mystery in which we inhabit.
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Not at all Mystery is what drives us to answer that next question in life Mystery shrouds science Someone said at einsteins birthday said to him in a speech that science is wrong...... Because when we answer one question there is more questions that go unanswered Its through our curiosity that we strive to unlock those mystery's And its a common. Misconception that people believe that the Bible and other religions teach us to mindless followers Many people take the Bible to literally this is true but actually religion teaches us to open our minds however its up to the people that portray that view and many don't
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It's better to have faith in something then fall for anything. An old cliche. Aren't you putting your faith in science that it has/will figure out all secrets of the universe? You are basing what you believe on things that have been discovered, where as we base what we believe on things that were already shown us through the bible. To say it is weak minded is kind of silly imo, I don't need the "proof" that you need. I'm able to accept things that I can not understand or begin to fathom. I would say a weak minded person would be someone who is easily lead astray. I put proof in quotations because our proof is in the Bible.
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Yeah you don't need proof because you mindlessly accept things due to bias.
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Or faith.
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There's as much proof for the existence of Jesus as there is proof of Peter Pan and the Flying Spaghetti Monster. May his noodles ever be al dente. Ramen.
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Ahahah
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Is this your attempt at trying to be funny? Maybe you are always condescending. Idk have fun either way. Matthew 5:10-12 10 Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 11 “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
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No, not a joke, the definition of literal in fact. There is literally no proof of Jesus existing outside of the bible which is a book written by a human. Much like Peter Pan, Luke Skywalker, and Willy Wonka.
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Yes wrote by man inspired by the Holy Spirit.
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I can write a book and claim that it was under the guidance of the Holy Spirit and there is no way you can prove me wrong.
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the Bible came from some forty different authors from diverse vocations in life. For instance, among the writers of Scripture were Moses, a political leader; Joshua, a military leader; David, a shepherd; Solomon, a king; Amos, a herdsman and fruit pincher; Daniel, a prime minister; Matthew, a tax collector; Luke, a medical doctor; Paul, a rabbi; and Peter, a fisherman. It is apparent that many of the writers did not know of the other writers of Scripture and were unfamiliar with the other writings, inasmuch as the writers wrote over a period of more than fifteen hundred years, yet the Bible is a marvelous, unified whole.
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I'm not arguing that it isn't an epic, cohesive story written by dozens over a long period. In fact that is a large part of my argument. It's a work of fiction, polished over the years to incite a specific reaction in people like yourself. What separates this book from fiction? What makes this book legitimate and the documents of other religions fictitious?
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Says the book itself. Not actual proof.
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It is actual proof to those brought to faith through the Holy Spirit by the messages in it.
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That isn't the definition of proof. You are using the wrong word. Proof requires evidence. The bible can't be its own evidence.
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The Bible is my evidence, it is my proof. I don't need more, you do. I'm not here to change your mind or show you the "proof" you require.
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Look up the definition of those words. There's no such thing as "your" proof. Only proof. Evidence is unbiased. It either supports your claims or it doesn't. In this case it doesn't. There is no evidence that anything in the bible ever happened.
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Burial Plaque of King Uzziah. Down in Judah, King Uzziah ruled from 792 to 740 BC, a contemporary of Amos, Hosea, and Isaiah. Like Solomon, he began well and ended badly. In 2 Chronicles 26 his sin is recorded, which resulted in his being struck with leprosy later in life. When Uzziah died, he was interred in a “field of burial that belonged to the kings.” His stone burial plaque has been discovered on the Mount of Olives, and it reads: “Here, the bones of Uzziah, King of Judah, were brought. Do not open.” Hezekiah’s Siloam Tunnel Inscription. King Hezekiah of Judah ruled from 721 to 686 BC. Fearing a siege by the Assyrian king, Sennacherib, Hezekiah preserved Jerusalem’s water supply by cutting a tunnel through 1,750 feet of solid rock from the Gihon Spring to the Pool of Siloam inside the city walls (2 Kings 20; 2 Chron. 32). At the Siloam end of the tunnel, an inscription, presently in the archaeological museum at Istanbul, Turkey, celebrates this remarkable accomplishment. The tunnel is probably the only biblical site that has not changed its appearance in 2,700 years.
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Your point being?
