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I enjoy our civil talk. The thing is, I think that this could go either way, there is pros and cons on both of our arguments. But, I think that we can both agree that they did not need to make it where you could not get on the platforms at all. That was kinda of a not so good fix. I just think that without a leaderboard for the raid, let the cheesers cheese it haha. But make it more of a challenge to cheese. Like make the enemies teleport to the platforms. My original argument is that the consumer should have some type of rights. But yes, I see your points and you are absolutely right in a lot of your points. But let's face it, the gamers who used the platforms were going to quit playing when the next big game comes out anyways. Just wait until they leave to fix it.
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  • I can't agree to that. This why. Why let people cheese? The better question is why cheese? If you're just going to cheese something for loot so you can cheese the next thing, why even play? Why not find a game that makes you want to try, even just a little bit, and play that game? I just don't understand. Had the platforms been inaccessable from the beginning, due to kill volumes or distance, this wouldn't have been an issue. Or, maybe it would have. Yes, either way people would have tried to find another way to exploit the fight. I would imagine that when you make a game or an encounter you wouldn't't want people just cheesing it. You'd want them to take the fight, learn it, beat it, and master it if they want to. That's the point of video games, unless specified otherwise (like goat simulator lol). Even if one person is on the platforms they would be a t a graver disatvatage. Say an oracle is missed. That person is pretty much dead unless the relic holder is on that side and they can get to them quickly enough, and the relic holder can still cleanse at that point. Then they need to be ressed which puts the team at a disadvantage. Sure, they have an excellent view and a moderate range of visability, but it's not enough to really justify being there. Either way, it takes away the whole point of playing a game. Facing challenges to get better loot to face harder challenges to better loot and progress your character(s).

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  • The platforms should still be accessible to everyone but the relic holder. And your definition for video games is yours. I love playing the game, I hate to admit it. But honestly, people who actually have lives and are just playing it for the fact to see how it is, don't believe in video game ethics. Shit.. I believe as long as you have done something legit once, by all means go back and goof off, and try to exploit and just have fun however you want. I don't like set rules on my experience is my main point. Besides there is still like 5 other ways that you can cheese that same fight. Even though the fight is very easy if you and your team know what they are doing.

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  • Edited by Sigurd Fatima: 11/3/2014 7:22:52 PM
    In the end man cheesing is cheating. I'm not against exploring the mechanics of a game, but exploiting those mechanics to progress in the game is cheating. No matter how many times you've done it legitamately it's still cheating. And what about the creators? They made it. Shouldn't they have the right to run the game as they choose? Developers are only at the whim of the consumer if they want to be, just as players are only at the whim of the developers of they want to be. There is no harm in acting ethically but acting unethically...all that serves is to cause harm. When Bungie changed the platforms they mafeva statement, "this is not allowed". That's their choice. You can accept that or you can not. There are games that are designed for the player to play within the world however they see fit, but even those are designed with mechanics to allow them to do that and, in most cases, still have linear encounters. Wall hacking is still wall hacking. Exploiting is still exploiting. There are ethics in everything. And they're not a bad thing unless you are attempting to act in an unethical manner within them. P.S. if everyone were allowed to cheat after one legtiamate run why even have the fight? Why not tmhave the option to just press a button once a week and get your loot and experience?

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  • I enjoyed talking with you man :) I can see that our opinions are different. But I will say my character is lvl 30 and I have done every method of running it and I find that doing it legitamately is more fun anyways.

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