For starters, going in the raid with a bunch of ransoms is a horrible idea. Especially when you join with a bunch of kids. Just listening to their voices drives me up the wall so a refuse to play with them. I don't mind playing with new people who have never experienced the raid because I was there once. As long as they are mature and know how to listen to instruction. I've beaten the raid on normal at least a dozen times legit, not once will I ever push Atheon off and I will refuse to do the raid unless it is done the right way. I want to EARN my lucky drop gear lol. That being said, I have yet to do it on hard because I want to be a 30 first, and I will still do it legit. If you are looking for someone to raid with, my GT is Piroglyphic. Xbox 1 29 Hunter 28 Warlock 26 Titan.