Just ran the raid for the 4th time. It was with a group who, apart from 3 of us, had never done it before. A couple people weren't talking much, but they were all good at FPS games, stuck together and learned the mechanics really quickly... We did it in like 45 minutes to an hour, no cheesing required. The raid isn't actually that hard. At all. I started it this morning with a bunch of randoms, and it took forever and half the people left by the Gatekeeper part. Nobody listened, nobody took the initiative for anything.... I tried explaining the maze about 100x but people still kept running around gliding and being seen. Moral of the story: Run the raid with good players who are willing to listen and it's a walk in the park. Run it with a team of Rambos and it's really frustrating.