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10/15/2014 9:40:30 PM
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I completely agree. It's kind of messed up that Bungie didn't release any info on how to beat the raid and then got mad at people for finding a different way.
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Wow. You're supposed to have to figure it out. No one is going to hand you a maze and then show you the best path to the end. Instead of figuring it out someone decide to just break down the walls of the maze instead.
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Edited by Azreal80: 10/16/2014 2:21:24 PMExactly!! They said "Surprise us" when the Games released. Well [b]surprise[/b] We found ways to play your game. Guess that's NOT what they intended. No instructions, and we all thought NO RULES but I guess we do have unwritten rules to the Vault of Glass and people were breaking Bungies rules. They are going to force the entire community out of this game.
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Ha! Excellent point, I never thought of it that way. They specifically said they weren't going to tell us anything, and that they wanted us to figure it out. Apparently we "figured it out" wrong in their opinion, and they forgot to tell us on the front end that there's a "right" and "wrong" way according to their standard. What a conflicting message they're sending the community in my opinion.
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Just keep that in mind when the next raid comes out. When you're solving the puzzles and figuring out how to fight the boss, stop and think for about 30 seconds without touching your controller. Make sure you're playing the game the right way. The right way is you failing, and if you weren't failing, you're now doing the raid the correct way by standing there for 30 seconds, making it VERY easy for the enemies to kill you. Good job on a raid done correctly, instead of completing it or solving its puzzles! Seriously though, my interest in Destiny is fading fast as they keep taking away what little we have. I've personally been affected by the pocket infinity nerf, the vog sniper nerf (primary role in fireteam), queen's wrath legendary shards nerf, and shotgun range nerf (I had two I used in PvP that just don't work anymore). Pulse rifles already suck, so that leaves me with... The Last Word? My only exotic that doesn't yet suck. Suros Regime auto rifle nerf; Ice Breaker vog sniper nerf; Pocket Infinity ammo nerf; Invective range nerf; Red Death is a pulse rifle... I bet next they start attacking armors too. Goodbye Sunbreakers, Apotheosis Veil, and Skull of Dire Ahamkara.
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I sure hope not, but it seems Destiny is trending towards the whims of the casual gamer / whoever cries the loudest and longest. I know Bungie has it in them to set this thing straight, but I'm truly beginning to wonder.
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Straight up , they are wrecking there game. Our game.
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By not allowing you to stand in a single spot and shoot at the boss? I hope you didn't speak out against the loot cave 0_0
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This is probably the single best point here.
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Edited by Sigurd Fatima: 10/16/2014 10:37:51 PMIt's one of the worst points -_- P.S. they got mad because people didn't bother to do it correctly. Instead they just cheesed their way through. I mean the people doing it literally call it "cheesing". They know that's not how it's supposed to he done. They know it's cheap. They know they really should be down there fighting off mobs, taking down oracles, maybe keeping the boss from teleporting, and hiring hum when they can. They know that's how it's supposed to be done. And that's not the developers fault. They're just being lazy.
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Really? How so?
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Because no one hands you a maze, shows you how to get through it, and then watches you draw the line.
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Exactly the point. They didn't hand anyone a map or instructions on what to do. The players all had to figure out different tactics to get through it, and being on top of the sniper pillar for that fight was one of them that helped some.
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You missed the point. They handed you a maze. It was your job to figure out how to solve it with the confined of the maze. They're not supposed to give you a map. BUT of you do want a map wait for the first fireteam to clear it and write a strategy. Then you will have your map.
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............... Why are we going back and forth here about the same thing? Let's break this down: [quote]They handed you a maze. It was your job to figure out how to solve it with the confined of the maze. [/quote] No one here has argued differently. We had to figure it out. Let me repeat that: [b]We had to figure it out.[/b] And that's what was done. Bungie designed an arena, and players learned and used different parts of the arena to their advantage. There was no manipulation or altering of code done by any player when using that platform. So no cheating was involved. [quote]BUT of you do want a map wait for the first fireteam to clear it and write a strategy. Then you will have your map.[/quote] Yes you can do that. OR you could figure out your own way, which is exactly what we are discussing. So long as no one altered the design of the area as that would constitute cheating, there are going to be MULTIPLE ways of figuring out how to play fight the boss legitimately, not just one. And that pillar, which Bungie designed themselves, and had an area for players to stand on and simply take cover (which you can do with any other wall down below), was a legit strategy.
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Edited by Sigurd Fatima: 10/17/2014 1:04:17 PMRight but the method using the platforms might be easier to consider a legitimate strategy if the people using it didn't call it "cheesing". Come on, they know they're not supposed to be up there. Why get upset when you know you weren't supposed to be doing what you were doing. Also it would be different if you could manage all of the mechanics from the platforms. But from none of those positions would you be able to destroy all of the oracles before they complete their song. Also, there is a bonus chest that spawns if you can keep the Templar from teleporting the whole fight. That, also, would be impossible from any of the platforms, further suggesting that the platforms are not meant to be used for the fight. Lastly it would be different if we weren't perfectly capable of completing the fight without the use of the platforms, but as long as we are the proper level it's easily possible. We are going back and forth because you seem to be arguing that using the platforms is a legitimate strategy, but it's not. Seeing as it's not a legitimate strategy, it's only right that it was fixed.
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The whole point about the fight was to stay alive and kill the boss. Resources were given to the players, and they used it. The bonus chest, was just that, a bonus, for meeting certain conditions in the fight. It wasn't something that was required of the player(s) to kill the boss and move on to the next area. And yes I understand you can kill the boss without using the platform, I've done it myself with my clanmates. But as I've stated before it is one of many ways to defeat the Templar, just like the pillar use to be. So yes, I still believe that using the pillar was fine. At this point let's just agree to disagree and move on.
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When the people using the strategy call it cheesing then it can't be right. Using the platforms beats the developers, not the fight itself. Look, I feel like we're getting no where my friend. So, I suggest we agree to disagree lest this conversation go for another day. Neither of us want that I hope.
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Anything anywhere that can be considered low risk to a player can be called "cheesing". However that does not diminish the fact that it would be legitimate, considering they've done nothing but use the tools and resources provided to them by the developer. And yes see are not seeing eye to eye..let's just let it die already.
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Edited by Sigurd Fatima: 10/17/2014 2:06:33 PMwill you suffer me one more analogy? P.S. I will actually use a keyboard for this lol
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If I can stand on a platform and shoot a boss too stupid to shoot at me, summon defenders, teleport to get a better angle, or any other of the myriad of ways a game developer has in their toolbox to prevent some of the most obvious behaviors, then I should be able to do it. It's somewhat lazy boss design. Phogoth should not be stuck between pillars, Valus should shoot rockets into the area where people can hide and shoot him, the Archon Priest should be faster and far more aggressive with his stomps, sepiks should call fallen into the back room, the Nexus mind should levitate higher and murder anything trying to hide behind the big wall, the vex should teleport to places players are hiding. . . And on and on.
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Damn strait.
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Wow I'd almost forgot they never say anything about it or how you're supposed to beat it and now they punished us for using our imagination something they seemed to want us to use they literally said here look at this play it however you want wait no not like that only how we wanted you to play it you're doing it wrong even tho we never told you how
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Edited by Sigurd Fatima: 10/16/2014 10:27:05 PMThey're not supposed to. You're supposed to figure out what tools and mechanics are available for you to use, not how you can just cheat the boss -_-
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Pretty sure a platform I can jump to is available to me I'm just saying that's not really an excuse
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How is it cheating? It's strategy! You are basically downing guerrilla warfare.
