Let me start by saying "thank you", I only wish everyone here on this forum took the time to explain their points as well as you have here Mr. Newbie! I will now add that I have over 100 hours playing this redundant grinder we call Destiny. I'm not sure whether all that time spent quantifies my opinion any more than a player with under 20 hours, but non the less there it is. Let be begin my thoughts on your points. For starters, I for one, would hate to see a dedicated PvE grinder, and eloquent writer leave the community or the game. I find myself agreeing with most of your points, though not all, but I also respect your stance on them all. I don't personally have issue with the nurfing and buffing of the different weapons to keep the classifications even. They stated early that they did not want any weapon to "break the game" and I think they gave plenty of pre warning to that effect, so I was prepared for it completely. THAT SAID; if Bungie is not going to give us grinders something awesome in some way, (be it weapons or armor) only hours of grinding and loads of acquired skill can ever hope to get...then why even bother? I mean a useless ship design or shader or fancy tag is not enough to justify the time we put into this all!! It is cool to have random drops of bad ass gear for us all casual to hardcore, but there MUST be some "holy Grail" that makes these dedicated, my wife would say crazy, gamers like us grind away countless hours to achieve! So if that gun was to be that ultimate endgame grail....then shame on Bungie for nerfing it! If it is not then, please Bungie tell us what we are all here to find! Give us a reason not to cut and run.