You completely disregarded or misread my comment if you think I don't understand patience and long term goals. What I can't however support is a system that doesn't reward said patience and commitment. I see you were [b][i]LUCKY[/i][/b] enough to get a pair of raid boots, congrats. I've made it to Atheon on my warlock at least a dozen times and i go to all chest locations. I've only gotten shards, energy, and the sniper rifle 3times now. It's not a matter of patience and commitment with the raid or anything else in this game. It's a matter of sheer dumb luck. To try to argue against that as if rewards work to the contrary is not only foolhardy, but a giant F-U to the people who have poured hundreds of hours in the pve and pvp with little to no pay off for their efforts. Edit: Btw, raid can be completed in under 2h ours with a good fire team in all honesty so it really isn't a long term commitment. But then again a 2 hour run or a 10 hour run neither guarantee you anything truly of substance to reward your efforts...Cheers