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Edited by BLUENINJA: 10/13/2014 6:47:08 PM
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Raid gear SHOULD NOT be the only way to level 30!

Something that everyone I talk to agrees on yet no one seems to point out online, is the downright terrible decision to make raid gear the only path to level thirty. Perhaps you've already heard this before and no longer care, but I challenge you to. this is a flaw that needs to be fixed, for several reason. 1. It nullifies ALL FIVE FACTIONS. Are you really telling me that every single one of those legendary armories the five factions have were [i]stepping stones[/i]? You bust your bottom to get all that gear, only to be left once again at the mercy of the RNG? 2. we BUSTED OUT BOTTOMS to get that gear! I didn't spend literal days in the crucible getting all those marks for you to tell me that I have to give them up if I want to be level thirty! That is unacceptable! In fact it's downright disheartening. We didn't work that hard to have it surmounted by a couple hour long raid. 3. Save a shader and one gear piece, everyone would look the same. looking the same as everyone else should NEVER be the goal in an RPG, that's ridiculous. So we get one exotic armor, and a shader to look unique. otherwise we have literally the same armor as everyone else. Honestly how did that slip through the cracks during development?? 4. What about future raids? assuming you get different raid gear in future DLC raids, that means you have practically nullified one or more perks on your fancy VOG raid gear. Now, if the level cap goes up, fine, that makes sense. But if it does not, you now have armor with useless perks. I'm not saying raid gear should be on par with faction armor, not at all. It SHOULD be better. just in different ways, perhaps granting lesser bonuses to all three attributes, instead of a specialized two like most legendary armors, or make the raid armor require one less defense upgrade to reach max stats, making it easier to upgrade than faction armor. There are ways to make raid armor special. But giving it exclusive access to level 30 was a terrible decision. I've built an entire play style around my armor, one that won't work with raid armor. In fact, seeing as there's basically only one armor, MOST peoples play styles don't fit. How is that ok? leave a comment stating you're own thoughts. Hopefully they will understand the problem with this decision, and fix it soon. EDIT: Thank you for your feedback. It seems that some like the raid system, but others are frustrated by the "exclusive" nature of the raid armor. So, allow me to reign in my thoughts to this: customization. Perhaps the biggest downside of the raid armor is the fact that there's only one set. So "your" guardian, as bungie advertised, is really just the same guardian as evey one else minus one equipment slot and a shader. Bungie advertised that the character was YOUR guardian, that you were unique, but if you want to be the best, bungie wont allow you to be unique. This is my biggest complaint. perhaps this won't change until the DLC comes out, and if so, oh well, I still believe they need to fix this.

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  • Some people that love and play this game have lives and not a lot of time to try and get a raid group together. If your a paying customer you should be able to hit 30 raid or no raid. I raid and like everyone else all I've gotten are shards and a shader. They could set the story up to reach level 30, actually there are a lot of things they could do but haven't yet. Oh and for the RECORD BAD JUJU NEEDS THAT BUFF I have it maxed to 300 and it's the weakest weapon I've used yet. Honestly wish the strangers rifle was a level 30 rifle or level 28 it's the best looking and best shooting pulse rifle I used in the game. Everyone have fun, and keep your fingers crossed that Bungie will listen to the ones making them money.

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  • I completely agree with this. There should be a set of Elite Crucible gear that equals the raid gear but is hard to get. Also the faction gear should be equal to Raid gear. I was looking forward to Dead Orbit armor for my warlock, and the fact that I have to change it to ugly Hozen gear, is depressing.

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  • My only problems with raid gearing isn't that it's the only route to 30. I've maxed my faction armor and exotic piece to make it to 29 and getting to 30 should be done through the exclusive end game content, I.E. hard mode raiding. My problem comes from the perks and the aesthetics. I picked my faction armor for the bonuses they grant, yet I have no such option with raid gear. I get what it gives me when it gives it to me. Combine that with every level 30 of every class looking roughly the same as others of their class (save for what color they are), and it really takes the triumph out of the level 30 achievement. Now if I could set the perks and aesthetic style on raid armor to whatever I wanted, that would be cool (like a token system I turn in to some NPC and select from a list of stuff). If I could dismantle raid armor and get some kind of "Infusion of Light" and apply it to fully upgraded faction armor to make it 30 light instead of 27, that would also be cool. Either would still require me to raid, but it would allow me to wear whatever perks I want in whatever style I want it in. I don't want to look like every other level 30, and I certainly don't want perks for stuff I don't use. Get on it Bungie!

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    • Raiding should be the only way to get to 30.

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      • Yup also maybe lets be able to use all exotic armor ya know dont even tell me itll be too op when u can get it too and lets make more exotics everybody had the same shit! Exotic are beautiful and we get 2 to use at a time fricken waste and theyre perks on the exotics arnt even that good either!

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      • I agree with you mostly. But the future raids will each come with their own set of raid gear and raid specific perks. So you could in theory mix and match. Also the raid specific perk usually doesnt replace any other perk. Its just tacked on as a bonus. But the faction gear is extremely underwhelming.

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      • I agree completely

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      • From what I've seen with raid armor you are probably better off using other legendary + exotic armor for stats and perks you want. There's no point in using armor with perks that gives more super energy from killing enemies in the vault if you're not actually doing the raid. Besides factions can still be useful for when you know what stats you want between INT+STR, INT+DIS, or DIS+STR. You'll still be at 28 or 29 if you max out your armor anyway and can still do PvP(I'd say you're better off not using raid armor in pvp tbh), nightfall, level 28 weekly strikes, and the normal raid. So you're just missing out on 12 points of light (9 if you use an exotic) and a few perks that make the raid a tiny bit easier, while you can get perks like more ammo for weapons, faster reload for weapons, melee restoring grenade energy, grenade restoring melee energy, etc. Personally I would like to have another way to hit 30 (like Iron Banner armor), but outside of the raid you don't really gain anything by being 30 and it could straight up outclass raid armor if it had the right stats/perks.

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        • Honestly..I would be ok with the current raid system if it wasnt broken like the original loot system. I didnt get any legendary gear drops so i grinded out crucible and vanguard to get my gear. Now ive finished the raid normal and hard each week and Ive yet to receive any gear. After I finish the raid the game has nothing left to offer.

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        • I think there should be at LEAST three full sets of armor that will get you to level 30. There should be the raid set (PVE), a crucible set (PVP), iron banner set would have been awesome. And one other set that can be found either through PVE or PVP. But that set is hella rare. That way everybody can hit 30 playing however they want.

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          • the exclusive nature of raid armor is because its end game for pve and is harder than pvp also with the time gaps it takes longer to amass raid gear than pvp or vanguard gear even with 100 mark cap also why would you get vex gear from pvp makes not sense.

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          • There should be raid equivalent gear from the factions at level 10. I vastly prefer pvp to pve.

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          • You're right. Right now there is huge progression issues once you hit the level 27 wall. it slows the game down so freaking much.

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          • its hardly terrible, they need an actually good incentive to do the raid, not to mention its not even hard, so please, just quit your whining, people like you ruined 40 mans and 20 mans in wow.

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            • Agreed. I'm a Lvl. 24 and still rolling with all rares, excluding my Unfriendly Giant and FWC cape. I've been grinding for days now on VOG and no legendaries or light. Hell, I still can't even finish the Weekly Heroic for 3 SC. Something is warped at the core of this game that needs to be dug out and overhauled.

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              • Edited by Hiddenmonkey10: 10/13/2014 11:58:07 PM
                You've never played world of warcraft, have you? There's only 1 type of top tier armor, everyone that gets to the top tier looks the exact same as everyone else that gets to the top tier. It's a symbol of strength and accomplishment. Faction armor IS important as well, as it's the best way to get the armor that will boost you (Unless RNGsus was your best friend the entire time) to the level that makes playing the raid possible. Edit: there's only one type of top tier armor per class, as there is in destiny.

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                • Unless its not the only raid. I will get some gear for other raid, because i dont like this one, but lets be fair, raid its the most fun thing to do on this game.

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                • Simple fix: Remove the "light" system

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                  • 30 is just a number. Who cares? I got a set of raid gauntlets, and dismantled them because they didn't look nearly as cool as my crucible gauntlets. This guy in my raid group kept calling me stupid for doing it, saying "you're gonna be level 29 forever." I said, "You know they are going to release more content, right?" He says, "Not till November. You don't care if you can't reach level 30 by then?" "Nope." I said. What difference does it make? You can take your Vex Mythoclast and shove it for all I care.

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                  • I disagree with this alot. The raid is there for high rank players to grind it out and receive these awards it's supposed to be hard to reach 30. If it wasn't you'd be 30 the now and what would you have left to do? Nothing. Alot of people moaning about this game that are just to used to flying through games with ease. I for one am happy it's hard to achieve 30. I've completed raid on normal and hard, have yet to receive any other armour other than the boots but have received plenty of exotic guns to show off. Which makes me egar to play every Tuesday of the hope I get somthing else to take me to 30. Rant over

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                    • I must have gotten lucky. I got raid gear in a cheat in the Raid and didn't even finish the raid but got the boots.

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                      • 100% with you on every point it's a down right slap in the face... Lvl 28 don't care to raid...and don't care to grind unless factions... They literally killed end game

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                        • Ditto to all of that :o)

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                        • They had something interesting going with the Queens emissary when I hit Rank 3 there were 6 new weapons that appeared I didn't see. Before there there were just 3. They could have done that same thing and have "Raid" quality loot appear on the table but requiring a much higher rank than 3 to achieve and cost all 200 (hard cap) marks to purchase for each item. on a side note am I the only one pissed off at the poop colored rare ships? I've gotten so many blue quality ships all the same style as white and green quality and all brown AHHHHH!!!

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                        • Bungie hear you. Bungie don't care.

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                        • The raid gear serves only two purposes at this point. 1. As a badge of honor that you've completed the VoG raid (multiple times) 2. To allow you to successfully complete the raid on Hard mode. No other activity in the game requires you to be level 30. Imo, Bungie never intended for you to just have ONE set of gear----which is why they tied the levelling system to your armor. I believe they expected us to compile an arsenal of various weapons and armor, then PICK which gear best served whatever mission we are to be going on. Expect to see other raid gears for future raids...and the raid difficulties going up. Also you wont' need to have completed the VoG in order to do the future raids, since the leaked level of the raids for the next expansion are 28. Which you can get to with Legendary gear +/- an exotic.

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