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6/30/2014 6:35:55 PM
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I don't understand how they reached this conclusion.
Birth control, especially for women, has actual medical uses besides preventing pregnancy. How is that any different than a medication you would be prescribed, or a treatment you might need for an illness or disease?
I'd be covered for migraine medication to ease the pain and discomfort of regular migraines, but I wouldn't be covered for birth control that eases the pain and discomfort of menstruation.
What.
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[quote]Birth control, especially for women, has actual medical uses besides preventing pregnancy. How is that any different than a medication you would be prescribed, or a treatment you might need for an illness or disease? [/quote] Because any medical condition that birth control can alleviate has a better quality medication that handles that symptom better. There is already a doctor prescribed medication that isn't birth control that eases the pain and discomfort of menstruation, you don't need birth control for that.
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[quote]Birth control, especially for women, has actual medical uses besides preventing pregnancy. How is that any different than a medication you would be prescribed, or a treatment you might need for an illness or disease?[/quote] Because 90% of women take it purely so they can have sex.
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Edited by AccountNumber01: 6/30/2014 7:42:41 PMThat's entirely beside the point.
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No it's not. Your entire post was devoted to the non-sexual purposes of birth control, and I refuted that by saying most women do not use birth control for the sake of controlling menstruation.
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You say it as if recreational sex is a bad thing and isn't good for people's health.
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No, but you wouldn't pay for other recreational activities would you?
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I'm not. My tax dollars would be. It's good for people's health and is generally a good thing. I don't see what's wrong with tax dollars going to better people's health. I get that a lot of conservatives think sex is some vile dirty thing(especially gay sex considering how much they talk about it) but it isn't and shouldn't be treated like it is.
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[quote]I'm not. My tax dollars would be. [/quote] That's the same thing. [quote]It's good for people's health and is generally a good thing. I don't see what's wrong with tax dollars going to better people's health. [/quote] Yoga is good for your health, but you wouldn't pay for other people to go to Yoga.
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[quote]That's the same thing. [/quote]Not really. The government spends the money that people give it on things a lot of people wouldn't want it spent on all the time anyway. Do you really think I want to pay for one of the endless number of wars we end up in? Why is birth control coverage anything more than another [quote]Yoga is good for your health, but you wouldn't pay for other people to go to Yoga.[/quote]Medicare already covers that.
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[quote]Not really. The government spends the money that people give it on things a lot of people wouldn't want it spent on all the time anyway. [/quote] That's why we elect officials to make sure we don't have the government pay for useless shit like recreational sex. [quote]Do you really think [u]I want to pay[/u] for one of the endless number of wars we end up in? [/quote] Oh, so you do admit that's your money being spent. [quote]Medicare already covers that. [/quote] Medicare covers Yoga for heart disease. If you don't have heart disease, you're not getting Yoga on the tax payers dime.
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[quote]That's why we elect officials to make sure we don't have the government pay for useless shit like recreational sex. [/quote]We clearly do otherwise Penis pumps and Viagra wouldn't be covered. [quote]Oh, so you do admit that's your money being spent.[/quote]If it was my money it wouldn't go to the wars. That's the point. When I pay taxes it's no longer my money. [quote]Medicare covers Yoga for heart disease. If you don't have heart disease, you're not getting Yoga on the tax payers dime.[/quote]So you're telling me that something is covered by tax payer money for a recreational activity for certain circumstances? Is it because it's also a preventative measure that would save medical problems and expenses down the line and possibly death? Who would've thought such a thing would be covered by insurance.
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[quote]We clearly do otherwise Penis pumps and Viagra wouldn't be covered. [/quote] I don't support those being covered either. You don't pay for any other recreational activity, sex does not deserve special treatment. [quote]If it was my money it wouldn't go to the wars. That's the point. When I pay taxes it's no longer my money. [/quote] No, it still is your money, it's just taken out of your paycheck before you even use it. If it wasn't your money than you would be working for less money than what you originally agreed on with your employer. [quote]So you're telling me that something is covered by tax payer money for a recreational activity for certain circumstances? [/quote] Except Yoga for heart disease is not recreational, it falls under a medical necessity to make sure you don't continue to have heart problems. [quote]Is it because it's also a preventative measure that would save medical problems and expenses down the line and possibly death? Who would've thought such a thing would be covered by insurance. [/quote] Nice fallacy, sex may be beneficial, but it has nothing to do with death. Under your logic almost everything we do that has health benefits should be covered by insurance. Just because something is good for you does NOT mean it's a medical necessity.
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Edited by Johnnyboy5550: 6/30/2014 9:15:36 PM[quote]I don't support those being covered either. You don't pay for any other recreational activity, sex does not deserve special treatment.[/quote]Except that I've established it is. Just not for women. [quote]No, it still is your money, it's just taken out of your paycheck before you even use it. If it wasn't your money than you would be working for less money than what you originally agreed on with your employer.[/quote]The money that goes to the government still wouldn't be my money since I never get what's taken out. That statement seemed pretty clear. [quote]Except Yoga for heart disease is not recreational, it falls under a medical necessity to make sure you don't continue to have heart problems.[/quote]Yet Yoga itself is considered a recreational activity. It's a recreational activity with health benefits like sex. There are other treatment options for heart disease obviously but that doesn't mean yoga shouldn't be covered. [quote]Nice fallacy, sex may be beneficial, but it has nothing to do with death. Under your logic almost everything we do that has health benefits should be covered by insurance. Just because something is good for you does NOT mean it's a medical necessity.[/quote]Women have never died during childbirth? What about the horrible problems women go through when they're pregnant? If that couldn't be considered a valid medical expense I don't know what could.
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[quote]Except that I've established it is. Just not for women. [/quote] Sex is not on some golden pedestal that we have to worship. [quote]The money that goes to the government still wouldn't be my money since I never get what's taken out. That statement seemed pretty clear. [/quote] Your statement is clear, that doesn't make it any less [i]objectively[/i] wrong. It's still your money that's being spent only your not the spender. [quote]Yet Yoga itself is considered a recreational activity. It's a recreational activity with health benefits like sex. There are other treatment options for heart disease obviously but that doesn't mean yoga shouldn't be covered. [/quote] Yoga by itself is a recreational activity, but it's only a medical necessity when it's NEEDED. If you don't NEED yoga and you're doing yoga, it's purely recreational. [quote]Women have never died during childbirth? What about the horrible problems women go through when they're pregnant? If that couldn't be considered a valid medical expense I don't know what could. [/quote] Strawman, this doesn't change the fact that birth control is not a medical necessity. Women have plenty of other options like condoms, abortions (something that will always be paid for by the government but abortions are a completely different subject) or just plain not having sex. There's nothing wrong with telling people not to go to the movies if they don't have the money but it's somehow "Muh Misogyny!" when you're told not to have sex. That's a total crock of shit and nothing more than an appeal to emotions.
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[quote]Sex is not on some golden pedestal that we have to worship. [/quote]I honestly don't get why people view sex as some horrible thing like you seem to. It's something enjoyable that helps your health and doesn't hurt as long as you have safe sex. [quote]Your statement is clear, that doesn't make it any less [i]objectively[/i] wrong. It's still your money that's being spent only your not the spender. [/quote]I don't see it as mine since I never get it. Why would I? It's the government's the second I'm paid. [quote]Yoga by itself is a recreational activity, but it's only a medical necessity when it's NEEDED. If you don't NEED yoga and you're doing yoga, it's purely recreational.[/quote]Yet the yoga those people get could be considered recreational since there are other treatments for heart disease. But I guess you didn't catch in my post. [quote]Strawman, this doesn't change the fact that birth control is not a medical necessity. Women have plenty of other options like condoms[/quote]Which can break. [quote]abortions[/quote]Yay! A preventable and invasive medical procedure! Which I would never have if I took the pill! [quote]or just plain not having sex.[/quote]Which doesn't get you the health benefits of sex. [quote]There's nothing wrong with telling people not to go to the movies if they don't have the money but it's somehow "Muh Misogyny!" when you're told not to have sex. That's a total crock of shit and nothing more than an appeal to emotions.[/quote]Going to the movies doesn't have health benefits. Sex does. You don't really seem to have a good argument here. Going to the movies could actually make your health worse. Your also ignoring the other uses for it for the sake of this argument which makes your argument look even flimsier. All in all you haven't really given a good argument. You don't want to pay for people having sex even though you're not actually the one paying for it, sex has benefits, and you wouldn't be paying for the sex. The insurance would cover the pill, a medication with multiple benefits which they would also be denied, and you wouldn't. There's no reason to appeal to emotions here because it seems pretty logical. I just don't get why you're so fervent against covering it since you're one of the more logical people on here.
