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originally posted in:Secular Sevens
5/14/2014 5:15:48 AM
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Edited by Forever Berg: 5/14/2014 5:35:12 AM>implying I dodged any questions or am bringing up anything without proof You realize your link describes what you're doing right? You're saying the universe was just created by itself without any proof, and denying any scientific fallacies without providing proof as to how those fallacies are true. You brought no proof in disputing my source, which provides both philosophical and mathematical consideration into play.
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I'm not dodging any questions because none were put forward, save what's-wrong-with-this-picture, which I addressed. I also don't think you understand the fallacy being referenced. You have yet to demonstrate how your major premise is tautologous, so forgive me for not taking your claim seriously.
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Edited by Forever Berg: 5/14/2014 6:06:57 AMIt's literally in the source. [quote]1. Everything that has a beginning of its existence has a cause of its existence; 2. The universe has a beginning of its existence; [b]Therefore:[/b] 3. The universe has a cause of its existence.[/quote] Science explains that no actual infinities exist within the world, yet science tries to explain that the universe runs on an actual infinite cycle, as it justifies no creation of the something we have today. The fact that science will never be 100% correct and crumbles the more microscopic we get, it shows it is flawed.
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Just saying something doesn't constitute a demonstration of it.
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It isn't just saying something...
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Then what else is it doing?
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[quote]Science explains that no actual infinities exist within the world,[/quote]you keep saying "science" as if this guy's philosophy is somehow scientific fact.
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Edited by Forever Berg: 5/14/2014 6:21:15 AMThere cannot be a physical value given to infinity, and it is not possible for something to be physically infinite. It is scientifically believed that the the universe has gone through an infinite cycle in the past and for the future, despite there being no chance for something to physically be infinite (aka like temporal past). Science is flawed in assuming the universe is infinite, and that the universe was able to come from nothing. Those are two individual flaws, one of which violates the first law of thermodynamics.
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