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originally posted in:TFS The Floods Sanctuary
Edited by ch33zy burrito:
11/29/2013 7:30:02 PM
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Stronger? No. Smarter? Debatable. The Gravemind/"Key Mind" could probably out-think the Brother Moons, but the singular necromorphs are obviously more intelligent than the flood's similar units.
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Certainly stronger combat form wise. The flood has taken over galaxies. And how is smarter even a debate? The gravemind is nigh-omniscient. Along with the fact that the flood uses memories from its host which makes them capable of jacking ships, using weapons, etc.
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[quote]Certainly stronger combat form wise.[/quote] lolno. The average necromorph can shrug off high-energy rounds that would tear through a combat form. Also, they're much more diverse, and have a less obvious weakness. [quote]The flood has taken over galaxies.[/quote] They couldn't even take over the Milky Way. [quote]The gravemind is nigh-omniscient.[/quote] If he were, he would have known Cortana had the Index, wouldn't he? And the Brethren Moons are similarly intelligent, and telepathic. [quote]Along with the fact that the flood uses memories from its host which makes them capable of jacking ships, using weapons, etc.[/quote] The necromorphs could do the same. What's your point?
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[quote]lolno. The average necromorph can shrug off high-energy rounds that would tear through a combat form. Also, they're much more diverse, and have a less obvious weakness. [/quote] Uh huh. A whack from a combat form is enough to dent ODST armor and the troopers skull killing him instantly. They also have somewhat liquid insides making projectiles almost useless. Less obvious weaknesses? In [b][u]almosy every[/u][/b] Dead-Space canon the most obvious weakness to necro's was the fact that their limbs came off rather quickly. The flood doesn't have this, if the body of the host is destroyed the infection form can burst out and go for another, less damaged body. Or just flat out attack whoever hurt it in the first place. [quote]They couldn't even take over the Milky Way. [/quote] I thought Roberto stated this already. I guess not, the flood has taken over galaxies. The proof is in one of the Forerunner novels, I don't remember exactly what Roberto said so you would have to ask him. [quote]If he were, he would have known Cortana had the Index, wouldn't he?[/quote] [b][u]Nigh[/u][/b]-omniscient, and he did. He was tormenting her, most likely for the index. [quote]The necromorphs could do the same. What's your point?[/quote] Lolno. I've played all of the original games and watched the movies. The only things I haven't experienced are dlc, Dead Space Wii, and part of Dead Space 3. None show usage of tools except for some of dead space 3. And that was simple stuff, like picks and hammers.
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[quote]Uh huh. A whack from a combat form is enough to dent ODST armor and the troopers skull killing him instantly.[/quote] Oh. Cute. A common necromorph's blade can go straight through the RIGs that Dead Space's soldiers wear - armor that is meant to stop blasts that can go through steel, not stop tiny bits of metal. [quote]Less obvious weaknesses? In almosy every Dead-Space canon the most obvious weakness to necro's was the fact that their limbs came off rather quickly.[/quote] Less obvious than having one giant glaring easily-shot weak point right on the abdomen. [quote]The flood doesn't have this, if the body of the host is destroyed the infection form can burst out and go for another, less damaged body. Or just flat out attack whoever hurt it in the first place.[/quote] Unless they're killed as soon as they do, since they're pretty fragile. And the necromorphs aren't even killed when they get their limbs cut off - the hive mind just says "f*ck you, you're useless now" stops using them. Then they're broken down and re-used in other necromorph forms. [quote]I thought Roberto stated this already. I guess not, the flood has taken over galaxies. The proof is in one of the Forerunner novels, I don't remember exactly what Roberto said so you would have to ask him.[/quote] The wiki says they were turned into flood after reducing themselves to powder after losing the war against the forerunners, then used their new form to get revenge. No mention of them conquering other galaxies. [quote]Nigh-omniscient, and he did. He was tormenting her, most likely for the index.[/quote] No, he knew she had some kind of secret, he just didn't know it was the Index. He's certainly intelligent, but far from omniscient, or even "nigh"-omniscient. [quote]Lolno. I've played all of the original games and watched the movies. The only things I haven't experienced are dlc, Dead Space Wii, and part of Dead Space 3. None show usage of tools except for some of dead space 3. And that was simple stuff, like picks and hammers.[/quote] There are ones that show up later, similar to the Dividers, who take control of Unitologist bodies and use their guns. Very inaccurately, but they were definitely learning. Or just didn't bother in the previous games.
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[quote]Oh. Cute. A common necromorph's blade can go straight through the RIGs that Dead Space's soldiers wear - armor that is meant to stop blasts that can go through steel, not stop tiny bits of metal.[/quote] Titanium alloy>Steel [quote] Less obvious than having one giant glaring easily-shot weak point right on the abdomen. [/quote] Its not a weak point, the flood doesn't have one. [quote]Unless they're killed as soon as they do, since they're pretty fragile. And the necromorphs aren't even killed when they get their limbs cut off - the hive mind just says "f*ck you, you're useless now" stops using them. Then they're broken down and re-used in other necromorph forms.[/quote] They are weak but if there's one flood there's certainly more. Regardless this was just to show that even if the hosts limbs are cut off or damaged, the flood can still fight. [quote]The wiki says they were turned into flood after reducing themselves to powder after losing the war against the forerunners, then used their new form to get revenge. No mention of them conquering other galaxies. [/quote] 1. You'd have to ask Roberto, he has the proof, not me. 2. Wiki doesn't always say [i]everything[/i] there is to know about a topic, you should know this. [quote]No, he knew she had some kind of secret, he just didn't know it was the Index. He's certainly intelligent, but far from omniscient, or even "nigh"-omniscient. [/quote] Ok so then in that case he did know, just not exactly what. And if you're going to go by wiki, it stated that graveminds are nigh-omnipotent.
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[quote]Titanium alloy>Steel[/quote] ODSTs wear titanium? Since when? And I can guaran-damn-tee the plasma cutter fires stronger rounds than the guns the UNSC and Covenant use that drop the flood pretty damn quickly. And unless you shoot them in the limbs, the necromorphs can [i]shrug those off like nothing.[/i] [quote]Its not a weak point, the flood doesn't have one.[/quote] Yeah, actually. The infection form is right their, on the combat form's abdomen. One shot there and it keels over dead. [quote]They are weak but if there's one flood there's certainly more. Regardless this was just to show that even if the hosts limbs are cut off or damaged, the flood can still fight.[/quote] Yeah, but then they get killed by the nearest source of damage, no matter how small. Maybe they get stepped on or something. The fact is, the infection forms might as well be very angry balloons. They can be killed with your bare hands. And the combat forms themselves are far more fragile than the necromorphs. The weapons that drop them easily wouldn't affect a necromorph in the slightest. [quote]2. Wiki doesn't always say everything there is to know about a topic, you should know this.[/quote] It's good enough. I trust the wiki a hell of a lot more than I trust the word of some guy on the internet I don't know. [quote]Ok so then in that case he did know, just not exactly what. And if you're going to go by wiki, it stated that graveminds are nigh-omnipotent.[/quote] If he was nigh-omnipotent, how did he lose? He could have just wished the Chief into nothingness or something. And he wouldn't have lost to the forerunners.
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Yup. It even has the same reflective coating as MJOLNIR, I don't know how those guys carry it around though. [quote]And I can guaran-damn-tee the plasma cutter fires stronger rounds than the guns the UNSC and Covenant use that drop the flood pretty damn quickly. And unless you shoot them in the limbs, the necromorphs can [i]shrug those off like nothing.[/i] [/quote] It certainly doesn't fire stronger than any covenant plasma-based weapons. The splash damage on those things is incredible. And necromorphs don't shrug off plasma rounds to the chest. It just goes through them similar to how bullets go through the flood. [quote]Yeah, actually. The infection form is right their, on the combat form's abdomen. One shot there and it keels over dead. [/quote] I have no idea where you got this shit from. This has never been seen in canon before and not even gameplay. Anyway its not the infection form itself, it's hardened just like the way the flood "arms" pop out of the host. It easily tears through bone and flesh with incredible force. [quote] Yeah, but then they get killed by the nearest source of damage, no matter how small. Maybe they get stepped on or something. The fact is, the infection forms might as well be very angry balloons. They can be killed with your bare hands.[/quote] So? They can still latch on to you while you're not noticing and infect you, or latch on to another body close by. They can still fight [i]at least.[/i] [quote] And the combat forms themselves are far more fragile than the necromorphs. The weapons that drop them easily wouldn't affect a necromorph in the slightest. [/quote] You are going by gameplay. And the weapons that kill the flood are more than enough to kill the necro's. Necro's die from bullets too, a lot less than Flood in fact. And the Flood are also stronger physically. The flood has massive arms used for crushing and mashing while necromorphs have arms meant for cutting and slicing. [quote]It's good enough. I trust the wiki a hell of a lot more than I trust the word of some guy on the internet I don't know. [/quote] I'm sure everyone does, but Roberto had the source/quote. [quote] If he was nigh-omnipotent, how did he lose? He could have just wished the Chief into nothingness or something. And he wouldn't have lost to the forerunners.[/quote] *Nigh-omniscient. If I end up saying omnipotent just ignore it.
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[quote]Yup. It even has the same reflective coating as MJOLNIR, I don't know how those guys carry it around though.[/quote] Oh well, it'd still get blasted apart by plasma cutter rounds. They're meant to go through materials far more durable than the ODST body armor. Probably pulse rounds too, and those are some of the weakest. [quote]It certainly doesn't fire stronger than any covenant plasma-based weapons.[/quote] Oh yes it does. Plasma cutter rounds can go through the plate glass on ships. The kind meant to survive debris impacts if they have to. Odds are a round from the cutter would go straight through a Spartan if it had to, much less organic matter like the necromorphs or the flood. [quote]The splash damage on those things is incredible. And necromorphs don't shrug off plasma rounds to the chest. It just goes through them similar to how bullets go through the flood.[/quote] Play the games. Yes, gameplay is canon in Dead Space - and they [i]do[/i] shrug off plasma rounds. [quote]I have no idea where you got this shit from. This has never been seen in canon before and not even gameplay.[/quote] Actually yes, shoot them in the gut with a non-automatic weapon and they go down instantly. Pistols were good for putting them down. [quote]Anyway its not the infection form itself, it's hardened just like the way the flood "arms" pop out of the host. It easily tears through bone and flesh with incredible force.[/quote] Cool. Keyes still killed one by squeezing it. [quote]So? They can still latch on to you while you're not noticing and infect you, or latch on to another body close by. They can still fight at least.[/quote] Yes, they can take you by surprise. Still not any tougher than a balloon. [quote]You are going by gameplay.[/quote] They still canonically have a weak point right on their abdomens. [quote]And the weapons that kill the flood are more than enough to kill the necro's. Necro's die from bullets too, a lot less than Flood in fact.[/quote] Proof? Necromorphs can shrug off plasma rounds that would go straight through the flood and paste their sorry ass. I can understand how shooting them [i]a lot[/i] would kill them, but the flood die with far fewer bullets than that. [quote]And the Flood are also stronger physically. The flood has massive arms used for crushing and mashing while necromorphs have arms meant for cutting and slicing.[/quote] Consider this - Isaac's RIG makes him strong enough to punch somebody's head clean off. The common necromorph can match him physically until he start fighting pragmatically. They can kill somebody with their brute strength as well, and just as easily as the flood.
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[quote]Oh well, it'd still get blasted apart by plasma cutter rounds. They're meant to go through materials far more durable than the ODST body armor. Probably pulse rounds too, and those are some of the weakest. [/quote] Nope. Plasma cutters are meant for breaking pieces off boulders to fit them elsewhere. Soft targets would have no effect from this, the flood will not be taking much damage from a plasma cutter soon. [quote]Oh yes it does. Plasma cutter rounds can go through the plate glass on ships. The kind meant to survive debris impacts if they have to.[/quote] And still not as hot, plus there is no splash damage. [quote]Odds are a round from the cutter would go straight through a Spartan if it had to, much less organic matter like the necromorphs or the flood. [/quote] Ha! Energy shielding+Reflective coating+Titanium A=useless plasma cutter. [quote] Play the games. Yes, gameplay is canon in Dead Space - and they [i]do[/i] shrug off plasma rounds. [/quote] 1. I've played all of them, never said gameplay was canon. 2. I want to know where you got this ridiculous idea that gameplay=canon 3. They don't "shrug off" plasma cutter rounds, it just goes through them. 4. A plasma cutter can't go through a steel bar in the dead space game therefor it is weaker than steel. See? This is the problem with that claim. [quote] Actually yes, shoot them in the gut with a non-automatic weapon and they go down instantly. Pistols were good for putting them down. [/quote] I haven't seen it, regardless Halo gameplay isn't canon. This time it should've been obvious. Also, in Halo: The Mona Lisa it takes 2 entire mags and then some to only hurt a flood combat form. It still ends up killing one of the marines. Anyway Im tired of this, ill leave it up to someone else or something.
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[quote]Nope. Plasma cutters are meant for breaking pieces off boulders to fit them elsewhere. Soft targets would have no effect from this, the flood will not be taking much damage from a plasma cutter soon.[/quote] They're mining tools. They go through rock, as in, vast amounts of rock, in caves and the like. Using them on boulders would be an underuse of their ability. If they go through necromorph limbs, they'd sure as hell go through the flood. [quote]And still not as hot, plus there is no splash damage.[/quote] No shit, they're meant to [i]cut[/i], not burn. [quote]Ha! Energy shielding[/quote] Would get broken in an instant. [quote]+Reflective coating[/quote] Protects from burn damage, not cutting. [quote]+Titanium A[/quote] Wouldn't make any difference. They're meant to cut through things [i]far[/i] more durable than titanium. [quote]=useless plasma cutter.[/quote] = a weapon that could kill a Spartan stone dead. [quote]1. I've played all of them, never said gameplay was canon.[/quote] Seeing as how everything is in-game, everything shown is canon. Gameplay, cutscenes - all of it. It's all one big canon picture. [quote]2. I want to know where you got this ridiculous idea that gameplay=canon[/quote] It isn't for Halo, but it is for Dead Space. [quote]3. They don't "shrug off" plasma cutter rounds, it just goes through them.[/quote] Is that why they recoil when it hits them, and it quite obviously doesn't go straight through them? If it did, they'd just keep walking through it instead of flinching backward. [quote]4. A plasma cutter can't go through a steel bar in the dead space game therefor it is weaker than steel. See? This is the problem with that claim.[/quote] Well yeah, obviously the environment isn't fully destructible. The cutter could easily get through steel, but doesn't because then they'd have to put a shit-ton more work into the game that would be unnecessary anyway. [quote]I haven't seen it, regardless Halo gameplay isn't canon. This time it should've been obvious.[/quote] Except it is canon. They have one big weak infection form burrowed into the abdomen. One shot, no more infection form, no more combat form. "[url=http://www.halopedia.org/Flood_combat_form#Anti-Flood_countermeasures]The weak areas of a Combat Form are its sensory appendages that normally develop on the upper chest. This is where the Infection Form has nestled, and the body is incapacitated if this area is destroyed by a projectile weapon.[/url]" And seeing as how one bullet kills an infection form... [quote]Also, in Halo: The Mona Lisa it takes 2 entire mags and then some to only hurt a flood combat form. It still ends up killing one of the marines.[/quote] And in Halo: The Flood, John mows through them fairly easily with his guns. The Mona Lisa was a horror story anyway, so it played up the flood's seeming invulnerability. That or they just had really sucky aim.
